Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-26 Thread Rafael Rocha Daud
Hi all, when I first subscribed to this list a couple of months ago, I had that beatiful idea of helping new users to learn and use styles instead of direct formatting. I since have educated myself a little (this list helped a lot), only to find this is a much more difficult task that I

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions about style name

2011-04-26 Thread Michel RENON
Hi Marc, Le 25/04/11 13:15, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2011-04-25 06:58, Michel RENON a écrit : Hi, Few days ago, there was a discussion about the style name : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01436.html As I've been teaching the basic of OpenOffice 2 or 3 years ago, I can

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-26 Thread Michel RENON
Hi Ricardo, Le 25/04/11 13:18, RGB ES a écrit : 2011/4/25 Michel RENONmichel.re...@free.fr: Hi, Few days ago, there was a discussion about the style name : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01436.html As I've been teaching the basic of OpenOffice 2 or 3 years ago, I can

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-26 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 03:58:04 -0700, Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr wrote: what if we completely replace the name style (used for style sheet) with template ? LibreOffice already uses the name Template for documents. It would be document template. For writer : page style -- page template,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-26 Thread Astron
I didn't understand the Version 1 and Version 2 thing, though. Version 1 seems very sane and usable, but is it in substitution to the 'Revert' function? Me, I must admit I didn't really understand version 2, either. Take another look at the wiki page: I killed it yesterday. Basically, my

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread Scott Pledger
This is actually very close to the design I'm currently working on for LibreOffice and, indeed, partly its inspiration. Much of the difference between the implementation of Lotus Symphony and my design is that Lotus Symphony's side bar does not constitute of panels which change based on what the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread Christopher Stark
I think a Tabs-Function for all open documents would be especially nice!The right column for special functions seems to be a good Idea too.Personally I don't like the Menu panel on the right side in that example. I think menus should stay horizontally on top of the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread Cyril Arnaud
That's really a nice design indeed. How can we promote this design ? I would love to see an implementation of these ideas in real life :) On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:19 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: This is actually very close to the design I'm currently working on for LibreOffice and, indeed,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread planas
Scott, On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:19 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: This is actually very close to the design I'm currently working on for LibreOffice and, indeed, partly its inspiration. Much of the difference between the implementation of Lotus Symphony and my design is that Lotus Symphony's

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread Cyril Arnaud
I depends if you want to save vertical space or horizontal space. Since most of the screen nowadays are wide screens, we have extra horizontal space, so we should save as much vertical space as possible. Therefore I think the menu on the right is indeed a good idea. -Cyril On Tue, 2011-04-26 at

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread Scott Pledger
Thanks! One additional notion that I've had for it is to have any extraneous popup windows be displayed as part of the menu hierarchy. For instance, the current Insert Frame dialog box would be shown such that it is a part of the menu itself. I haven't sketched this out yet as I haven't had

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-26 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:56:40 -0700, Sparkling Specks heinzless...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in dialogs, Apply, to apply changes made in dialogues without closing the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-26 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi, please allow me to quickly add my thoughts ... Am Montag, den 25.04.2011, 13:18 +0200 schrieb RGB ES: 2011/4/25 Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr: Hi, Few days ago, there was a discussion about the style name : http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01436.html As

Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about style name

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com: Hi, please allow me to quickly add my thoughts ... Am Montag, den 25.04.2011, 13:18 +0200 schrieb RGB ES: 2011/4/25 Michel RENON michel.re...@free.fr: Hi, Few days ago, there was a discussion about the style name :

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-26 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Octavio, all! Thanks for joining this discussion :-) Am Dienstag, den 26.04.2011, 11:28 -0700 schrieb Octavio Alvarez: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:56:40 -0700, Sparkling Specks heinzless...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread Scott Pledger
Purely out of curiosity, how many people here prefer that the user's default environment theme (GTK, Qt, etc.) be applied to LibreOffice versus how many would rather see LibreOffice get its own look independent of the desktop environment? Yours Truly, Scott R. Pledger On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at

[libreoffice-design] Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: What We Need - Review, Please

2011-04-26 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all, a few weeks ago we talked about What We Need - everything that eases discussions, helps us to keeps the focus, and helps to provide what others expect (both users and developers *g*). Many people added their thoughts - and I'd like to say a big thank you for that. I tried to cluster the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: What We Need - Review, Please (With Links)

2011-04-26 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all, and it really helps to add some links, or? Sorry! ;-) Here is the link to the current WWN list: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#What_We_Might_Need This is the link to the previous version of the page containing the individual thoughts:

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Scott Pledger scottpledger2...@gmail.com: Purely out of curiosity, how many people here prefer that the user's default environment theme (GTK, Qt, etc.) be applied to LibreOffice versus how many would rather see LibreOffice get its own look independent of the desktop environment?

Re: [libreoffice-design] Mouse click actions on Styles and Format window

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com: On 27/04/11 8:25 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Still the point is - why do people need to add more styles? I think the number of styles is quite sufficient, but maybe the defaults are unwanted ... don't know. Since discovering styles I use

Re: [libreoffice-design] Mouse click actions on Styles and Format window

2011-04-26 Thread Andy Brown
Steve Edmonds wrote: On 27/04/11 8:25 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Still the point is - why do people need to add more styles? I think the number of styles is quite sufficient, but maybe the defaults are unwanted ... don't know. Since discovering styles I use them all the time. I have styles

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-26 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Christoph, all I just want to add an idea - not even thought to the end, but perhaps some valuable input to reduce the numbers of buttons... It's not too different to Heinzs/Astron's proposal when he started the thread, but avoids name changes on the buttons.: [Help] needs quite a lot

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread planas
Scott On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 14:51 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: Purely out of curiosity, how many people here prefer that the user's default environment theme (GTK, Qt, etc.) be applied to LibreOffice versus how many would rather see LibreOffice get its own look independent of the desktop

Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?

2011-04-26 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/26 Cyril Arnaud cyril.arn...@gmail.com: Personally I don't mind really. OK it's nice to be consistent with the desktop but you can't please every single desktop standard right ? I would rather see a Libreoffice look than a KDE or Gnome one, as long as the UI is fresh and efficient :)

Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: What We Need - Review, Please (With Links)

2011-04-26 Thread planas
Christoph, All, On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 23:17 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all, and it really helps to add some links, or? Sorry! ;-) Here is the link to the current WWN list: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#What_We_Might_Need This is the link to the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011-04-26 Thread Astron
Hi everyone, @Bernhard: 1. [Apply] button pressed as standard: Every change is visible immediately (or after a short time as Christoph suggests) in the document.   a. The user wants to keep the changes and leave the dialog:       - Just press [Close]   b. The user wants to revert the