Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-09-24 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all,

just wanted to make you aware that the Saving Information icon by
Paulo have been nicely integrated into LibreOffice (just checked in a
daily build).

Speaking for the Design Team, thanks to Dmitry for taking care! :-)
Especially since the other developers mentioned that it was quite some
work - code wise.

More information: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39430

Cheers,
Christoph

PS: Dmitry, sorry for sending it a second time ... the first time I sent
it to the old ML address.


Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 21:59 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack:
 Hi Kohei, Paulo, all!
 
 Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 13:26 -0400 schrieb Kohei Yoshida:
  Hi Christoph,
  
  On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 13:23 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
   Kohei, would it make sense to turn this into an easy hack?
 
 [...]
 
  Yes.  Feel free to put this into easy hack.  I'll fill in the missing
  bits (Skills etc) later.  But let's put this up on the page first.
 
 Thank you! I was a bit hesitant to change something on my own on that
 page ... :-)
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#Improving_Saving_Information_Icon_in_the_Status_Bar
 
 Paulo, I felt free to add a link to your recent blog posting describing
 the idea. I think it's very helpful for people to look at the images
 instead reading my boring description (only).
 
 Cheers,
 Christoph
 
 




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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-14 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi Christoph,

On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 13:23 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
 Kohei, would it make sense to turn this into an easy hack?
 
 
 
 Background: Improve the feedback for the user if a document has been
 saved recently. This feedback will be shown by extending the already
 available document symbol in the status bar.
 
   * Document Symbol Empty: Show if the document has been newly
 created, or the content is unchanged in comparison to the
 saved
 version.
   * Document Symbol Orange Star: Show if the document has been
 unsaved changes or a document saving process is still running.
   * Document Symbol Green Checkmark: Show for 3 seconds after a
 document saving process has been finished. Then switch to
 document symbol Empty (see above).
 
 Skills: ???
 
 Contact: LibreOffice Design Team (Paulo)
 
 Resources: ??? exported document symbol files

Yes.  Feel free to put this into easy hack.  I'll fill in the missing
bits (Skills etc) later.  But let's put this up on the page first.

Thanks!

Kohei

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-12 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Paulo, hi Kohei!

Am Samstag, den 12.03.2011, 01:36 -0300 schrieb Paulo José:
 Hi Kohei, all
 
 On 11-03-2011 19:11, Kohei Yoshida wrote:
  Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot. That would greatly
  enhance the visibility of this icon.
 
  The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra
  effort.  So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is
  for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into
  implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4
  release.  I hope that's okay.
 For me it's allright. But I think we must wait a bit more for feedback 
 from the other design and UX's people. But I'm very glade that you like 
 the idea!
 
  So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones?
 Yeah, but like I've said, we should wait. I'd like to get some other 
 members opinions, like Bernhard, Nik or Ivan. Up to this moment, just 
 Christoph and Jaron did take part on it.

Oh, go ahead - it looks fantastic to me. :-)

And I also like the idea of turning having this little checkmark icon,
since it explains much better what's going on. But we should avoid that
users of user office suites may mix this up with the spelling and
grammar checker ;-)
http://www.baycongroup.com/word2007/images/StatusBar.gif

Kohei, would it make sense to turn this into an easy hack?



Background: Improve the feedback for the user if a document has been
saved recently. This feedback will be shown by extending the already
available document symbol in the status bar.

  * Document Symbol Empty: Show if the document has been newly
created, or the content is unchanged in comparison to the saved
version.
  * Document Symbol Orange Star: Show if the document has been
unsaved changes or a document saving process is still running.
  * Document Symbol Green Checkmark: Show for 3 seconds after a
document saving process has been finished. Then switch to
document symbol Empty (see above).

Skills: ???

Contact: LibreOffice Design Team (Paulo)

Resources: ??? exported document symbol files



Don't know if that might work :-) In any case, thanks to you both!

Cheers,
Christoph

  Kohei
 Thank you for your support, Kohei!
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-12 Thread Paulo José

Hi Christoph, Kohei, all,

On 12-03-2011 09:23, Christoph Noack wrote:

Oh, go ahead - it looks fantastic to me. :-)

Ok, you're the boss! :-P Thank you very much!


And I also like the idea of turning having this little checkmark icon,
since it explains much better what's going on. But we should avoid that
users of user office suites may mix this up with the spelling and
grammar checker ;-)http://www.baycongroup.com/word2007/images/StatusBar.gif
Yeah, it's an important point. But since the icon will show only when 
the saving process is complete, I think its correlation with this 
process is preserved.


Would be cool if we could set a nice animation about 3 or 5 frames, like 
a GIF, but with PNG images. Maybe just a fade between states, if it 
doesn't consumes much processing resources, of course. What do you 
think, Kohei?



[...] Skills: ???
Contact: LibreOffice Design Team (Paulo)
Resources: ??? exported document symbol files

Final source SVG file and separated PNG icons in 14x11px size:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-Bar-Saving-Info-icons.zip

On 12-03-2011 12:22, Nik wrote:

Hey Paulo, Kohei, Christoph,
[...] +1
Go Go Go! full-steam-ahead, it looks great to me too and I don't think 
anyone would disagree!

You're doing such great work that no-one wants to slow you down Paulo =)
So from my point of view, it's perfect. And like Nike has been 
recommending since the beginning of time;

Just do it! =)
Thank you very much, Nik! It's great to read your words! :-D It's very 
stimulant actually!


Kohei, please call me if you need something else that I can help. :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-12 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Paulo, Kohei, all

Paulo José schrieb:

Hi Kohei, all

On 11-03-2011 19:11, Kohei Yoshida wrote:

Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot. That would greatly
enhance the visibility of this icon.

The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra
effort. So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is
for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into
implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4
release. I hope that's okay.

For me it's allright. But I think we must wait a bit more for feedback
from the other design and UX's people. But I'm very glade that you like
the idea!


So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones?

Yeah, but like I've said, we should wait. I'd like to get some other
members opinions, like Bernhard, Nik or Ivan. Up to this moment, just
Christoph and Jaron did take part on it.


Sorry for not stepping in earlier - this task has been handled in a very 
good way by you, so I didn't see any reason to intervene.


I support the new icons you created - and the third icon for newly saved 
documents, once a developer can implement it. :-)


One point we should think of later on:

Shouldn't the status bar graphics be part of the different icon themes?
I don't see them changing when switching from Tango to Galaxy or HiCon.

(When your proposal for a new order of statusbar icons will be worked 
on, this could be integrated too)


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-12 Thread Paulo José

Hi Bernhard, all,

On 12-03-2011 18:42, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi Paulo, Kohei, all
[...]
Sorry for not stepping in earlier - this task has been handled in a 
very good way by you, so I didn't see any reason to intervene.
I support the new icons you created - and the third icon for newly 
saved documents, once a developer can implement it. :-) 
Well, it's ever great to hear your opinion. You ever brings us some wise 
words and good arguments. And I was actually worried about the meaning 
of a third icon, so your opinion is particularly welcome, thanks to your 
UX knowhow. I'm glad to know that you like the idea! And thanks for 
supporting my steps. :-)



One point we should think of later on:
Shouldn't the status bar graphics be part of the different icon themes?
I don't see them changing when switching from Tango to Galaxy or HiCon.
Yeah, it's a good point actually. I don't know if they could be themed 
(since its size is very limited), but certainly they should be every on 
the same style. And HiCon is a very important version of them and we 
should do soon we can. But I'm thinking: the small size will be a 
problem to keep them accessible to users with eyesight problems. Could 
be possible to increase the status bar's size in these cases?




(When your proposal for a new order of statusbar icons will be worked 
on, this could be integrated too)

:-)

Regards,
~Paulo

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-11 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi Paulo,

On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 14:46 -0300, Paulo José wrote:
 OK, Kohei, thank you for info and comment.
 
 Here you find the checked version, including some refinements and a 
 little proposal: an icon to provide feedback to a correctly saving. 
 Maybe this icon can just appear for few seconds, then return to default 
 transparent icon. Just an idea to improve feedback's level.

Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot.  That would greatly
enhance the visibility of this icon.

The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra
effort.  So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is
for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into
implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4
release.  I hope that's okay.

Like I said, I like the idea of a little animated feedback that you are
suggesting.  So hopefully we can implement that at some point.

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg
  
 (if it doesn't work, force reload)

So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones?

Kohei

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-11 Thread Paulo José

Hi Kohei, all

On 11-03-2011 19:11, Kohei Yoshida wrote:

Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot. That would greatly
enhance the visibility of this icon.

The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra
effort.  So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is
for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into
implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4
release.  I hope that's okay.
For me it's allright. But I think we must wait a bit more for feedback 
from the other design and UX's people. But I'm very glade that you like 
the idea!



So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones?
Yeah, but like I've said, we should wait. I'd like to get some other 
members opinions, like Bernhard, Nik or Ivan. Up to this moment, just 
Christoph and Jaron did take part on it.



Kohei

Thank you for your support, Kohei!
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-08 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 11:29 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 19:49 -0300, Paulo José wrote:
  Replying quickly (Today my Father came to visit me in my current city! :-D):
  
  Thank you for the feedback! Perfectly, your suggestion to increase 
  transparency makes the status info goal seems clear to this icon. Do 
  you think we could incorporate this on the original icons or the 
  transparency is on the fly by software?
 
 The application uses the alpha (transparency) values of the original png
 file, so you can incorporate transparency into the original icon file.
 
 BTW, the new icon looks very sexy.  I appreciate your effort and
 artistic sense on making this icon. :-)

BTW, let me know if the icon is ready to be checked into the master
branch for the up-coming 3.4.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-07 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 19:49 -0300, Paulo José wrote:
 Replying quickly (Today my Father came to visit me in my current city! :-D):
 
 Thank you for the feedback! Perfectly, your suggestion to increase 
 transparency makes the status info goal seems clear to this icon. Do 
 you think we could incorporate this on the original icons or the 
 transparency is on the fly by software?

The application uses the alpha (transparency) values of the original png
file, so you can incorporate transparency into the original icon file.

BTW, the new icon looks very sexy.  I appreciate your effort and
artistic sense on making this icon. :-)

Kohei

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-06 Thread Jaron Kuppers
Hi Paulo, Christoph,

Wow... I can't believe its been so long.  This thread took quite the nap.

I also like Style 1 best, top right corner, and 14x11.  Although the
orange seems a bit loud.  I guess that is acceptable since it is likely the
most appropriate color from our arsenal.  It seems fine in Christoph's
example.  You may consider matching the gradient for the outline of the page
in your icon to match the page icons in the zoom toolbar if they are going
to be located so close.  It may also give the icon a little more attention.

Other than that, I think its great!  Good job!

Cheers,
Jaron




On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.comwrote:

 Hi all!

 Am Dienstag, den 01.02.2011, 18:59 -0200 schrieb Paulo José:
  Hello everybody!
 
  Some days ago

 Some weeks ago ... sorry for the long delay :-\

  , Christoph suggested me [1] to give a try to an already
  knew issue, related to icons used to show saving information on the
  status bar. The current icon shows an exclamation mark on a document
  when the document have not saved changes, and some people think may be
  better ways to represent this status.

 [...]

  So, based on what was discussed, I tried to create new icons to this
  behavior, based on the initial mimetype icons style. I keep two version,
  since the current icon is 14px tall, but a source [4] says the status
  bar icons must be 11px tall. I used some different (*) character to
  follow the suggestion of some people.

 Thank you so much, Paulo. Personally, I think the Style 1 (upper
 right) works best. The main reason is, that the shape of the document is
 preserved well - although the icon is so tiny. And, the star seems to
 appear quite balanced in this version.

 I first worried about the orange color, because usually yellow is used
 for indicating new. But of course - yellow is (given the constraints)
 almost invisible, so orange seems a great compromise.

 What else? Mmh, I think the 14x11px version fits better to the overall
 style of the status bar. The larger ones seem to be out of place
 somehow.

 So, if somebody wants to have a look at it - I've created an example by
 adding Paulo's icon to a simple status bar image:

 https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tLL1kYfD-fNZ8d5wkSzydA?feat=directlink

 Any further thoughts? To me, it's already an improvement - so I'm happy
 to export the icons and create an issue for that.

 I'll keep the source ...

  Versions on 16x14px:
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-16x14px.svg
  Versions on 14x11px:
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg
 
  I hope it can be useful in some way. :)

 By the way, I hope everybody noticed the interview with Paulo - I
 discovered more or less accidentally :-)

 http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/03/04/interview-with-paulo-jose-o-amaro/

 Cheers,
 Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-06 Thread Paulo José

Hi Jaron!

On 06-03-2011 10:49, Jaron Kuppers wrote:

Hi Paulo, Christoph,

Wow... I can't believe its been so long.  This thread took quite the nap.

I also like Style 1 best, top right corner, and 14x11.  Although the
orange seems a bit loud.  I guess that is acceptable since it is likely the
most appropriate color from our arsenal.  It seems fine in Christoph's
example.

Thank you!

You may consider matching the gradient for the outline of the page
in your icon to match the page icons in the zoom toolbar if they are going
to be located so close.  It may also give the icon a little more attention.
Yeah, I tried your and Christoph's suggestions and the result seems to 
be actually better:


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg 
(force reload if it doesn't work)


The Style 1 and 2 have the same size of Page Zoom icons (9px large) 
and each one have a gradient style (the Style 2 matching the Page Zoom 
icon's gradient). The Style 3 and 4 are 1px larger (10px large), the 
exactly same size of my previous proposal.


See you guys!
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-06 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Paulo!

Before I start - wow, it's always amazing how quick you can come up with
such stuff (I didn't even invested the time to look on your other icons,
I'm totally curious...).

Am Sonntag, den 06.03.2011, 15:04 -0300 schrieb Paulo José:
...
 Yeah, I tried your and Christoph's suggestions and the result seems to 
 be actually better:
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg
  

 The Style 1 and 2 have the same size of Page Zoom icons (9px large) 
 and each one have a gradient style (the Style 2 matching the Page Zoom 
 icon's gradient). The Style 3 and 4 are 1px larger (10px large), the 
 exactly same size of my previous proposal.

Mmh, from the visual point-of-view, I prefer the 10px large icons - it
just looks more balanced with the '*' inside. And the new outline looks
great as well ...

Concerning the differences to the other icons - some people may call me
Mr. Consistency, but in this case it might be okay to be different
(having in mind that we finally will end up in revamping the whole
interface). The difference is document (your icon) and page (the
existing icons in the status bar).

One little (last) thing - when I looked at the icons, I noticed that the
behavior of the items in the status bar are different. To be honest, the
status bar is no status bar (only), since there are control elements
like the zoom slider etc. Therefore, I wanted to better separate the
active and the inactive items - along with some better visibility of
information is important (document unchanged) and it is important
(document changed). Thus, I slightly increased the transparency in the
former case:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/o1JxptFPXGwS8MdlFm5rOA?feat=directlink

Paulo - in this case I'd like as you in the first place. Would this be
still okay to you? Feel free to answer straightforward ;-)

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-05 Thread Paulo José

Hi Christoph, Jaron, all,

On 05-03-2011 19:45, Christoph Noack wrote:

Some weeks ago ... sorry for the long delay :-\

Well, you certainly had good reasons! I myself forgot this threat... .


Thank you so much, Paulo. Personally, I think the Style 1 (upper
right) works best. The main reason is, that the shape of the document is
preserved well - although the icon is so tiny. And, the star seems to
appear quite balanced in this version.


This is my preferred version too. It is the first I did, and it makes 
difficult to create the other ones - so they are not that good.



I first worried about the orange color, because usually yellow is used
for indicating new. But of course - yellow is (given the constraints)
almost invisible, so orange seems a great compromise.
Exactly. The yeallow was my first try... An unproductive try to be 
clear. :-(



[...]So, if somebody wants to have a look at it - I've created an example by
adding Paulo's icon to a simple status bar image:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tLL1kYfD-fNZ8d5wkSzydA?feat=directlink
Oh, it's very cool! :D Just now I'm perceiving the document symbol 
could be a bit more darker... Maybe it's just a wrong perception of 
mine, but it looks almost like a disabled item. Don't you think that? :-/



Any further thoughts? To me, it's already an improvement - so I'm happy
to export the icons and create an issue for that.

Thank you! I'm very glad to know that! :-D


By the way, I hope everybody noticed the interview with Paulo - I
discovered more or less accidentally :-)
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/03/04/interview-with-paulo-jose-o-amaro/
It's a actual pleasure for me be in a TDF's interview! :-D. Thank you 
for sharing it to all.



Have a nice Sunday,
~Paulo

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-02-01 Thread Jaron Kuppers
Hi Paulo,

It looks like a good start.  I will give you more feedback later, (I am busy
at work).

Cheers,
Jaron


2011/2/1 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com

 Hello everybody!

 Some days ago, Christoph suggested me [1] to give a try to an already knew
 issue, related to icons used to show saving information on the status bar.
 The current icon shows an exclamation mark on a document when the document
 have not saved changes, and some people think may be better ways to
 represent this status.

 Looking up the past discussions about this issue to understand what was
 done, I found some interesting links [2] [3].

 So, based on what was discussed, I tried to create new icons to this
 behavior, based on the initial mimetype icons style. I keep two version,
 since the current icon is 14px tall, but a source [4] says the status bar
 icons must be 11px tall. I used some different (*) character to follow the
 suggestion of some people.

 Versions on 16x14px:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-16x14px.svg
 Versions on 14x11px:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg

 I hope it can be useful in some way. :)

 Best regards,
 ~Paulo

 [1] Small Icon Artwork Project (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking
  Off the LibreOffice Design Team)
 http://go.mail-archive.com/ZXUvilyqV8RdwiU-erOUILtRjfA
 [2] [Visual Design] Request for Icon Artwork (was: Re: [Libreoffice] [UX]
 LO status bar annoyances)
 http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00087.html
 [3] HackWeek – Minor polish
 http://kohei.us/2009/07/27/hackweek-minor-polish/
 [4] New feature icons: Zoom  Scaling Slider
 http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_icons_zoomslider.html#iconszoom
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 Computer Science Student
 Federal University of São João del-Rei
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