Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi all, Although it looks as if there is a big silence.. there has been contact between members on administration of the existing site end see what is possible for a test. Interested users/members are of course welcome to help with the upcoming efforts. And looking at the ideas, suggestions and

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hello, Am 05.11.18 um 09:58 schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: > Hello Andreas, > > Thanks for joining the discussion. first of all, I didn't join the discussion and currently I'm out. > > On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 10:56:56PM +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote: >> FYI: because I felt this way of communication

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hello Andreas, Thanks for joining the discussion. On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 10:56:56PM +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote: > FYI: because I felt this way of communication inside the project lacked > the necessary respect for the volunteer work done for about seven years > during spare time, I stopped my

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hello all, FYI: because I felt this way of communication inside the project lacked the necessary respect for the volunteer work done for about seven years during spare time, I stopped my work for the project and the website with immidiate effect. I was never included in any discussion about the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Cor, > My impression is not that people in this discussion think that it will > be easy per see. I got a bit different impression, and still see the extensive requirements doc (also the new one) highly contrasting with what I read as the idea of ‘just start iterating from

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Bjoern, > That -- and the fact that we have 45.000 accounts on it -- are the reason I > brought up Askbot. Content and accounts are the things that are hard earned > on a > platform, maintainers and moderators are a bit easier, but still hard. The > pure technical platform is the easiest

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Forgot that Bjoern actually mentioned some of the somehows Technical infrastructure was lacking for contributors: > [1] Seen e.g. by: >a/ repeated cries for help on twitter, some examples: (both technical > issues) > https://twitter.com/nimbleslides/status/1020899933161848832 >

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Bjoern, > Stating that a classic CMS is by definition better suited for the task at hand > than something more interactive like discourse is a foregone conclusion. Given > that the lack of community involvement is the core reason for many limitations > of the current setup, its not a valid

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 03:54:13PM +0200, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote: > Sure, but again, I doubt it matters to an extensions website. Mozilla has no > OAuth, and still has imho a great extensions website. In an ideal world > everyone contributes and consumes, but in reality it is just a

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Maarten, On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 01:55:38PM +0200, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote: > Maintaining software doesn’t become easier when you build a complex tool (an > extensions website) on something that isn’t meant for it (a Q/A site). Its really simple: Dont tell others "Do not consider

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, addendum: On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 02:14:36PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > For the community the decision should go with the team that gets the most > content, interaction and users on their platform. I dont care if someone > thinks > the platform was not made for the task -- it there

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 01:24:10PM +0200, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote: > I got a bit different impression, and still see the extensive requirements > doc (also the new one) highly contrasting with what I read as the idea of > ‘just start iterating from ask.libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Maarten, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote on 14-10-18 11:57: > I wonder how important having existing accounts is for an extension > site. I’d like to be convinced otherwise, but I think that a usable > submission & maintenance process will convince people to contribute > their extensions. A

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 01:14:09PM +0200, kainz.a wrote: > Is it possible to use libreoffice online and nextcloud for templates and > extensions? as said: You can host stuff on pretty much any platform. However, nextcloud originated with a mission closer to a plain Filehosting/Intranet a la

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Is it possible to use libreoffice online and nextcloud for templates and extensions? Cor Nouws schrieb am Sa., 13. Okt. 2018, 10:56: > Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 13-10-18 10:09: > > > That is not really an argument against _evaluating_ AskBot as a platform. > > Evaluating means looking into

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 13-10-18 10:09: > That is not really an argument against _evaluating_ AskBot as a platform. > Evaluating means looking into what can be done with a platform and what the > challenges are. > > Beyond that, I have to say I am not too surprised that finding something in >

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Am 12-Oct-18 um 18:18 schrieb Maarten Brouwers (murb): So tl;dr: This is the design list, we do 1/ "Identify core needs and usecases" here. No tools/platform discussion[1]. Next up would be finding enthusiastic people willing to work on this. ... I agree with the critiques that the old

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:45:48AM -0600, Taylor Jenkins wrote: > The only way, architecturally, that I see ask.libreoffice.org being able to > play a role in an extension repository, is if the uploaded extensions were > stored to a remotely queriable database for access by a separate front

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 09:48:35PM +, toki wrote: > Until/unless the search function on ask.libreoffice is fixed, migrating > there is going to ensure that absolutely, positively ensure that nobody > will ever find the extension that they are looking for. That is not really an argument

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

As a user of libreoffice interested in searching for an available extension, the logical place to look is libreoffice.org. While ask.libreoffice.org may be easy for contributors to upload and discuss extensions, it is a nightmare to navigate for someone simply trying to find available extensions,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Bjoern, > So tl;dr: This is the design list, we do 1/ "Identify core needs and usecases" > here. No tools/platform discussion[1]. Next up would be finding enthusiastic > people willing to work on this. Ok, so one of the core needs you actually emphasise is actual support by *multiple*

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

On 10/12/18 8:05 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > site is already capable to host templates, and allows some of the things > missing on the current extension site. Until/unless the search function on ask.libreoffice is fixed, migrating there is going to ensure that absolutely, positively ensure

RE : Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hivall Message d'origine De : Bjoern Michaelsen Date : 12/10/2018 22:05 (GMT+01:00) À : "Maarten Brouwers (murb)" Cc : Miguel Ángel Ríos Vázquez , design@global.libreoffice.org Objet : Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 06:18:24PM +0200, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote: > From what I can see now: adapting ask.libreoffice.org > requires way more effort to turn it into a > proper extension-site than either adapting the current extensions-site or > adopting an

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

On 10/12/18 11:36 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > The second question then is how to get that metadata. E.g. the license has to > be in the extension itself. So why bothering to ask the uploader about it, > possibly causing even mismatched metadata, because the manual entry had a > different value

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

On 10/12/18 9:28 AM, kainz.a wrote: > Template contributor: Share his template, don't care about LibO version As a template contributor, in theory, I'm not concerned about the specific version of LibO that is used. Two of the templates I've uploaded, haven't been broken by changes within LibO.

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Bjoern, I have been at ask since the beginning, so let me think that I can talk with some knowledge. Is it successful? Apparently maybe, many users is the only place they know. But many people remains in the AOo forums specially volunteers because don't like Ask. For me Its usability

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 04:45:51PM +0200, kainz.a wrote: > When I look at popular webpages where you can share your content like image > webpages, openclipart, ... they are all very simple. > [...] > The page can be used for extensions, templates, documentations, ... Yes. So Im going to

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

When I look at popular webpages where you can share your content like image webpages, openclipart, ... they are all very simple. One overview page with Screenshots and description how is the developer and categories. Upload page with uploader, title, description, category and licence. Maybe

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Maarten, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 02:06:54PM +0200, Maarten Brouwers (murb) wrote: > What about adapting Mozilla’s extension-site? So lets phrase the problem differently: We are not lacking tools or platforms. We are lacking volunteers to maintain, develop and moderate on platforms. So if you

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

What about adapting Mozilla’s extension-site? From an and-user’s perspective I think they’ve well figured out how such site should work, at least from a consumer’s perspective. Adopting a Q/A site for something that allows for a structured presentation of an extension looks like turning a bus

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 01:06:41PM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 12-10-18 12:08: > > > Yes, please. That document is already exploring the rarest cornercases: > > > > - Bookkeeping a bazillion entries of metadata shouldnt be an end to itself: > > The webpage should

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 12-10-18 12:08: > Yes, please. That document is already exploring the rarest cornercases: > > - Bookkeeping a bazillion entries of metadata shouldnt be an end to itself: > The webpage should handle metadata about extensions, if there is a > reasonable > usecase

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

https://planet.documentfoundation.org/ October 11/2018 Andreas comment about, nothing else to say. Miguel Ángel. El 12/10/18 a las 11:28, kainz.a escribió: HI, for the basic UX there are still some ideas from the design team

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

On 10/12/18 11:59 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: > kainz.a wrote on 12-10-18 11:28: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dbdmzi3dy5TwNsIao0MXZSnl7X4jMk5zKwy8Azeohg > > It is an interesting mixture of really useful stuff and some overkill - > IMO. Just as the current site. It _was_ a description of the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:08:32PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > So in fact, half of the features in the google doc should be moved aside for > really, really pinning down a simple workflow for those 99% of uploaders that > wrote some single revision StarBasic or Python extension on their

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 11:28:08AM +0200, kainz.a wrote: > for the basic UX there are still some ideas from the design team > https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dbdmzi3dy5TwNsIao0MXZSnl7X4jMk5zKwy8Azeohg > (sorry that it is on gdocs) Commented. > And please keep it simple. Yes, please. That

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

kainz.a wrote on 12-10-18 11:28: > for the basic UX there are still some ideas from the design team > https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dbdmzi3dy5TwNsIao0MXZSnl7X4jMk5zKwy8Azeohg > (sorry that it is on gdocs) It is an interesting mixture of really useful stuff and some overkill - IMO. Just as

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

HI, for the basic UX there are still some ideas from the design team https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dbdmzi3dy5TwNsIao0MXZSnl7X4jMk5zKwy8Azeohg (sorry that it is on gdocs) I also want to say if we have an good extension layout for templates it can be used also for the documentation webpage

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 08:23:52AM +0200, kainz.a wrote: > For me templates and extension didn't have the same "developer" group. > extensions should have ongoing releases so a git orientated workflow is > more usefull. The source of a lot extensions are on githab or gitlab, ... > Templates

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:16:34PM -0300, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote: > So, if the problems are well known and no platform cover all the > project needs, what about a tender to get something from scratch? That would broaden the scope of this in major way and increase the change of failure: If

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:27:09PM -0300, Ricardo Dos Santos wrote: > Is there a possibility of an adaptation of the pages and continue using > Plone? > Or the effort does not pay? In theory, you can build pretty much anything on any platform or language. In practice, the available

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Can we really think about using Ask for that? My impression is that it is not even very well accepted as a forum. Not an example of success. For me the current web of extensions looks and works well enough. And on the other hand we could be more thankful with the volunteer work of the

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi, first thanks for ask the question about the extension webpage. And thanks to Andi that he maintain the page since a long time now. I'm always for concentrate stuff as it's easier to maintain and easier for people to use. For me templates and extension didn't have the same "developer" group.

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hello, Is there a possibility of an adaptation of the pages and continue using Plone? Or the effort does not pay? Thanks for attention, Ricardo Em qui, 11 de out de 2018 21:17, Daniel A. Rodriguez < drodrig...@libreoffice.org> escreveu: > El jue., 11 oct. 2018 a las 20:24, Thorsten Behrens >

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

El jue., 11 oct. 2018 a las 20:24, Thorsten Behrens () escribió: > > Hi Bjoern, *, > > Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > > This is despite volunteer efforts trying to move this forward, but > > stalling due to limited resources, which led to TDF even attempting > > to get commercial support for Plone[2]

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Bjoern, *, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > This is despite volunteer efforts trying to move this forward, but > stalling due to limited resources, which led to TDF even attempting > to get commercial support for Plone[2] to augment the the limited > volunteer ressources available. > Just to spell

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

Hi Miguel, (you do not seem to be subscribed to the design@ list, so others will not see your mail. I will reply anyway, but please consider subscribing to the mailing list when discussing there.) On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:56:43PM +0200, Miguel Ángel Ríos Vázquez wrote: > Can we really think