Re: [libreoffice-design] Visual identity: Application icons - logos, or just icons?

2015-05-04 Thread Charles-H. Schulz

Hello Jan,

Le 04.05.2015 15:29, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :

Hi Marketing,

We've recently had a question in the Design team that we don't feel
empowered enough to answer without consulting Marketing:


Should the application icons have status of logos?  Ie. should they 
be

still the same regardless of the icon theme?  Or are they just icons,
and should be modified according to the theme?


The very short answer is that we have one logo and that the app icons 
are icons, and do not have the same status.





By the application icons, I mean:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_icons_256.png

These are apparently in the Tango theme; and from the purely Design
point of view, it would look better if they were consistent with the
icon theme to which LibreOffice is switched (so should be Sifr-like 
when

LibreOffice works in Sifr; Breeze-like in breeze; etc.)


But in case they have status of logos, that is if they represent the
application, I think they should not change, ie. the Writer icon should
still look the same regardless of the theme.

What is the Marketing view on that, please?


I am certainly not the Marketing view, but an educated guess: there 
are obvious relations between the application icons and the logo. You 
can certainly change the look of the icons (but not the logo), you only 
need to make sure the visual coherence between the icons and the logo 
still exists.


As a side note, we could theoretically envision an full brand and visual 
refreshing and change, we're not doing that of course but if it were to 
happen then you would end up thinking of the logo and the new 
application icons as tighly connected.


Hope this helps,

Charles.




Thank you,
Kendy



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Visual identity: Application icons - logos, or just icons?

2015-05-04 Thread K-J LibreOffice

Hi all,
Am 04.05.2015 um 15:29 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:

Hi Marketing,

We've recently had a question in the Design team that we don't feel
empowered enough to answer without consulting Marketing:

Should the application icons have status of logos?  Ie. should they be
still the same regardless of the icon theme?  Or are they just icons,
and should be modified according to the theme?


By the application icons, I mean:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_icons_256.png

These are apparently in the Tango theme; and from the purely Design
point of view, it would look better if they were consistent with the
icon theme to which LibreOffice is switched (so should be Sifr-like when
LibreOffice works in Sifr; Breeze-like in breeze; etc.)


To see what is meant (Breeze):
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114543


But in case they have status of logos, that is if they represent the
application, I think they should not change, ie. the Writer icon should
still look the same regardless of the theme.


Branding rules [1]:
Logos that don't represent the LibreOffice software or the Document 
Foundation, but are related to it in some way, may use the LibreOffice 
symbol to show the relationship they have to it without adhering to the 
above guidelines. Examples of derivative logos are logos of the 
individual LibreOffice modules


[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Derivative_Logos

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Visual identity: Application icons - logos, or just icons?

2015-05-04 Thread Charles-H. Schulz

Hello K-J,

Le 04.05.2015 16:16, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :

Hi all,
Am 04.05.2015 um 15:29 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:

Hi Marketing,

We've recently had a question in the Design team that we don't feel
empowered enough to answer without consulting Marketing:

Should the application icons have status of logos?  Ie. should they 
be
still the same regardless of the icon theme?  Or are they just 
icons,

and should be modified according to the theme?


By the application icons, I mean:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_icons_256.png

These are apparently in the Tango theme; and from the purely Design
point of view, it would look better if they were consistent with the
icon theme to which LibreOffice is switched (so should be Sifr-like 
when

LibreOffice works in Sifr; Breeze-like in breeze; etc.)


To see what is meant (Breeze):
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114543


Thanks! The new icons do not appear in any way problematic to me (this 
is an actual statement, not my personal aesthetical judgement).





But in case they have status of logos, that is if they represent the
application, I think they should not change, ie. the Writer icon 
should

still look the same regardless of the theme.


Branding rules [1]:
Logos that don't represent the LibreOffice software or the Document
Foundation, but are related to it in some way, may use the LibreOffice
symbol to show the relationship they have to it without adhering to
the above guidelines. Examples of derivative logos are logos of the
individual LibreOffice modules

[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Derivative_Logos


You should read this as a specific example in the context of trademark 
practices and logo policy but not as an actual definition of what the 
application icons are.


best,

Charles.



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