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Taking the square root of the square root of negative one freezes^^-1
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/515280
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That makes sense, on Karmic I am using compiz, and on Lucid in my vm I
use metacity.
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The 40% limit is for if you plan to store your battery. I would not recomend
operating a portable device at such a low capacity.
Most manufactures seem to agree that charging a battery to the full capacity
can reduce the life expectancy of the battery, but this seems to be in 80-95%
area.
Thanks for coming back to me!
I did what you told and hopefully you got what you asked for. If not, please
tell me and we can't sort it out.
During the debugging recording, I did not press ctrl+C, although evolution was
still hanging (I tried it once and it would not allow me to write any
Nigel, The latest in the normal repos for Karmic is 0.12.5-0ubuntu5.2, which
still has the problem.
If there is a later version I should try, please post instructions for how to
get it. Thanks.
$ sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
$ dpkg-query -W rhythmbox
rhythmbox
thank you for your bug report, you probably activated the option to
change keybinding and pressed g on the keyboard when an entry was
selected in one of the menus which assigned the key to the action there
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Low
** Changed in: nautilus
Ok. I installed the gedit-dev package and performed the steps to get a
backtrace. I don't know if this helps much - all of the activity was in
a plugin - the sidepanel plugin - which I guess isn't included in the
-dev package, and then everything else was in the gtk packages. Let me
know if you
Is there a way to check?
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??? Sebastien, I didn't opened the gtk task...
sorry I didn't address the comment specifically to somebody it was for
whoever did open the gtk task there. thank you for patch I think the art
team has already been working on that and fixed several other bugs today
and a new version should be
the choice to display the button bar by default is a design decision and
not a bug, you can change
/apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry in gconf-editor if
you want though
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Yes, bug 491786 is a different problem: The umlauts and special
characters (in a word of any field, e.g. name, address, ...) were not
imported (addresses, notes, calender items), but replaced by a
?-character, e.g. schön -- sch?n, Baños -- Ba?os.
This bug (Bug #491787) is about the categories to
Please change the importance to high than this is really a problem if
you want to move to Ubuntu fully (as I would like to). If this is not
fixed, I would have to add categories to hundreds of contacts by hand
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With the deprecation of hal, gnome-power-manager must rely on the
BACKLIGHT property in xrandr; however, the ATI open-source drivers seem
not to support this property (regardless of whether KMS is enabled).
With HAL removed, g-p-m
is indicator-sound installed? the upgrade tool will take care of
installing the new indicator and it will be added to the user
configuration after the first login if required, the process might still
have some bugs though since lucid is still an unstable version
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you don't have an indicator applet in your configuration could you try
to add one?
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seems similar to bug #426329
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gnome-power-manager
Installed: 2.29.91-0ubuntu5
Candidate: 2.29.91-0ubuntu5
System suspends; fails to resume.(latch-button or power key)
Instead, black screen, requires re-boot. Also,
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you can try to start an another session than the GNOME one
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the issue is probably annoying for you but it's only a one time action
from people migrating which though annoying is not qualifying to be on
the high importance bugs, there is lot of crashers and other issues
happening in every day work and those would probably benefit users
better in their daily
lo mismo aquí
the same here, i can't play my music; does the lucid lynx package works
fine¿
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The AppArmor portion of this bug was fixed in 2.5~pre+bzr1367-0ubuntu1.
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the problem with posting logs is your handing out alot of information in
those logs. I would be surprised if anyone wants to post those logs.
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I agree. It sounds like the same issue being described. I would never
have found bug #533748 based on its description alone. Thanks!
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having the same when starting empathy and mission-control-5 has crashed.
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To clarify, there are two interacting bugs here: One is that Radeon
doesn't support BACKLIGHT, and the other is that the old HAL-based way
no longer works. The preferred action would be to fix the former,
rather than the latter.
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Importance:
I understand your reasoning. But if Ubuntu wants to attract people, the
first steps must work, be as easy and not painful. If there are some
glitches afterwards, it is not so important (I think). I am still using
Ubuntu and am happy with the performance. I don't mind some problems,
but I can't
Checked under guest account it is also missing from there also,
attaching file as requested also.
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Binary package hint: evolution
I think evolution should add a feature to delete a single message
without first moving it to trash (and then you have to expunge all the
trash folder to delete a single messages). I know that to permanently
delete a single mail you have first
:) Thank you! I was mad with that thing...
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Oh, very sad. Thanks very much for the reply Sebastien.
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right, but nobody is not using outlook or need to migrate pst files,
quite some users are using other mailer or starting with ubuntu or use
ldap or imap or google calendar and not having those to migrate, while
it's annoying to you it's just not an issue for the vast majority of our
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I'm sorry I didn't see this before User Interface Freeze. I agree that
discharging is an unpleasant way of putting it. The original proposal
in bug 399492 didn't use that word; I don't know how it ended up like
that.
I agree with Michael that Running on battery is better. I've changed
it in the
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to create before so the .desktop entry doesn't seem broken by pointing
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Upgrade using Update Manager. Single package to update
Download commence install, then error. Package successfully installed
after refresh.
ERROR:
Preparing to replace gnome-screensaver 2.24.0-0ubuntu6 (using
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Here is the package that I was installing.
Installing this package on Karmic results in a menu item being listed
under the Games tab in Applications.
Installing this package in Lucid (Alpha 3) results in a menu item being
listed under the Games tab in Applications.
Installing this package in
Daniel, why do you think it's a gnome-media issue? Ubuntu has no gnome-
media patch to the mixer and the same code works correctly in fedora,
upstream also said it's probably an issue in your pulseaudio version
reassigning to pulseaudio for now but feel free to reassign back with
some
From a quick search
(http://www.google.de/search?q=short+read+in+buffer_copy;) it appears
that this is caused by a broken downloaded file - apparently no error in
gnome-screensaver.
Thanks for reporting this bug nonetheless.
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Ah yes that did it, thank you. The volume bit has also been added by
that, which I hadn't noticed was missing.
I think I removed it in karmic as it was just the message applet
(envelope icon) and I thought that I was just getting rid of the instant
messaging thing - I don't use any instant
the following sequence of events seems to trigger this crash very often:
0) double click a contact to open a new chat window
1) try to paste a url by middle clicking, where the selection is actually on
another machine sharing mouse/keyboard through synergy
2) nothing shows up in chat window, so
Sorry about my ignorance, but have you tried Shift-Delete, which is
common to delete something and bypassing the trash.
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Screenshots attached. As I said, it jumps between these two when
maximised. Window manager is compiz.
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Screenshots attached. As I said, it jumps between these two when
maximised. Window manager is compiz.
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Ah, the indicator-sound package was not installed. The problem is that
I've been using synaptic to upgrade packages. I know that it's been
deprecated. It's just that some times the update-manager removes
packages that I want to keep (e.g. xscreensaver) without showing or
informing that this
the new telepathy-haze is in lucid now
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I have no sounds, either (in Karmic). I installed the freedesktop theme
as above but that did not make the sounds work. Is there some
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** (/usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe:11831): CRITICAL **: _wapi_shm_file_open:
shared file [/home/paddy/.wapi/shared_data-paddy-desktop-
Linux-i686-312-12-0] open error: Input/output error
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Thanks Daniel
Does this mean the bug should be changed to another package?
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Upstream add LXDE as a valide desktop environnement
(http://cgit.freedesktop.org/desktop-file-
utils/commit/?id=b30dce1c27e61f67b4c7da79cf6a5eaecbea5442). This is
needed for desktop-file-install to work properly with LXDE keys in
Obviously, but it doesn't run.
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Please merge
https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/ubuntu/lucid/glib2.0/subunit/+merge/20879
into glib
upstream are going to merge it, but it won't be in the release they are
doing *now*, and we'd like to have it available now for the dx team
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The file transfert in MSN is an important feature that Empathy miss.
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I'll take this one, as I'll probably have another change to upload
tomorrow anyway. Alex - would you mind please sending an e-mail to the
ubuntu-translators mailing list to make them aware of the change, as the
change will require translating in every language.
Thanks
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Wait... is some team a FAILURE AT LIFE or is it just me? I'm sorry, that
was rude. Almost as rude as leaving one of the most annoying bugs
unfixed for four years, not quite, but close. Don't be a Microsoft! I'm
pretty sure even I, yes, I could write the code to fix this in four
years time. If I
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Oh, and about the part where I said Even Windows doesn't. Think about
it. Who on earth would just shrug their shoulders for 4 years when every
other time they login... the start menu magically moves. Oh look, the
Start button is by the clock? who can guess where it'll end up next?
nobody knows!
Thanks for the files:
The relevant error is:
Beállítás: python-gtk2 (2.14.1-1ubuntu1) ...
Segmentation fault
dpkg: hibás feldolgozás: python-gtk2 (--configure):
post-installation script alfolyamat 139 hibakóddal kilépett
reaffecting to python-support.
Is the problem reproducible if you
OK, that one is fixed with the system-tools-backends 2.9.4 upstream.
Lowering importance since users with no login shouldn't ever appear, and
this case is not so common.
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uploaded with the control.in updated rather than the control
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Status: New = Fix Released
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do you know how to do this in the theme?
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wouldn't it have been useful to spend the time you spent writting those
comments trying to fix the issue rather?
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I've chatted with upstream, they say it's related to webkit initialization.
They will (in a very far future) move initialization to empathy
startup, if adium theme is selected.
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- Convert number in display if it has a base and a base button is
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Lets rewind. What is the problem here ? We are talking about an application
which does not support RTL languages called VTE. And you're trying to
workaround it by removing your work! Since the terminal does not support those
languages, it just has to really do so and say 'I do not support this
No, because i'm not familiar with gnome-panel code, it would take me a
few hours to get acquainted with how it works. (if i'm correct on how
much code there is in the gnome panel) 10/15 minutes of comment writing
is a much smaller amount of time. Now if I was familiar with the code, I
probably
Are you still able to reproduce this in current builds?
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind and attach the file to the bug report?
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reported, but feel free to report any other bugs you find.
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** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu)
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the indicator applet will be added back on upgrade to lucid, the
fallback to the notification icon should also be working
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Assignee: (unassigned) = Travis B. Hartwell (nafai)
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Travis, could you check if the fallback is work or not there and if it's
not why?
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When telling gnome-keyring to remember password on login, it does not.
ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Mon Mar 8 19:02:39 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala - Release i386 (20091028.5)
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Binary package hint: gnome-keyring
When telling gnome-keyring to remember password on login, it does not.
ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Mon Mar 8 19:02:39 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala - Release i386 (20091028.5)
** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40541021/Dependencies.txt
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remember password on login
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/534748
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Status: Invalid = New
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can't play dvds. crash when loading from file system
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/290155
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you are obviously commenting on the wrong place because nobody in the
current ubuntu team is familiar with the gnome-panel codebase, you might
want to try on bugzilla rather but adding probably comment complaining
about the lack of people working on this code will probably not bring
new hackers
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