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Carlos: it isn't a regression that lines outside a rectangle formed by
the start and endpoints are included, it's the intent.
Consider selecting in a document with two columns, starting in the 1st
column 2/3 down the page, ending in the 2nd column 1/3 down the page. In
this case, the correct
(oops, replied on launchpad, not sure if Carlos reads there. Repeating
for fdo)
Carlos: it isn't a regression that lines outside a rectangle formed by
the start and endpoints are included, it's the intent.
Consider selecting in a document with two columns, starting in the 1st
column 2/3 down the
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* debian/patches/11_column_selection.patch:
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The proposed package is acting correctly on my system.
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Works for me too :). Seems there are still a few border cases, but way
better than before :).
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Just enable Lucid Proposed (in your Updates Sources) in Synaptic.
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Here is another two column PDF which I am also having selection problems
with. http://www3.lehigh.edu/academics/catalog/printable.asp (click the
Lehigh University Course catalog link to open it)
I am using the default version of evince on Ubuntu 10.04 - version
2.30.0, so can someone post a link
Yeah. It's a bugger. That's reasonable behavior. I imagine it's
impracticable to include the history of the mouse trajectory in your the
guess of which line to select on. Anyway. This version is just an enormous
improvement, so thanks to you all.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Brian Ewins
For me, this problem was not fixed after the update from lucid-proposed.
See my comment
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/39321/comments/16
and the pdf file http://launchpadlibrarian.net/47987918/example-russian-pdf.pdf.
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I just tried that document too... But I noticed it was generated by
Cairo... which is a graphical library, not a text processor...
So I wouldn't be surprised if the PDF itself is the problem here... But
this is just speculation...
Has anybody tested that PDF in the official Adobe Acrobat Reader?
Initilally it was created with Acrobat plugin for MS Word, but I used
Evince's Print to file option to cut one page from it. I will test it
in Adobe Reader now.
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In Adobe Reader 9.3.1, all OK.
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On my system, Evince works similar...
You do need to update poppler and evince though...
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Do note that this bug and fix only concerns column selection flow
handling e.g. the common issue that selecting one column will select
the other simultaneously.
The (also very common) issue of selected text disappearing and
displaying random characters is a separate issue NOT addressed by this
This document does have the column selection issue. Each row of four numbers
in A1, ..., A5 behaves as a table that includes some of the text above it as
well as the single-character line below.
There is an interesting behavior in slowly selecting one character at a time
from left to right along
arand wrote:
The correct one for that issue is Bug #39321 which IS correctly marked as not
fixed.
I commented there at first, but it is written in that bug description:
This bug should only be about the disappearing-text-on selection issue
(bug a below), for the other selection issues see Bug
Also it behaves interesting when I try to select the text in the first
frame.
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Pascal de Bruijn wrote:
I just tried that document too... But I noticed it was generated by Cairo...
which is a graphical library, not a text processor...
If you are interested, here is the original file:
Mark: what's going on there is that the bounding boxes of the (1) (2)
(3) ... text regions are tightly around the text you can see, and when
the mouse is between them, its not over any text region at all. Hence,
the best guess of what you were trying to select is the nearest text
region (by
One more screenshot displaying page 15 of original file
(http://window.edu.ru/window_catalog/redir?id=59183file=%D0%98%D0%9D%D0%A4_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE_2009.pdf,
page 15, C4).
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I just installed from lucid-proposed, and the problem seems fixed
indeed.
On a sidenote the sample PDF I first posted moved:
http://www.games-
workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330012_Mord_Rulebook_part_1_-_rules.pdf
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So, now that RC is here, let's propose it as an SRU.
I've pushed it in lucid-proposed. The debdiff is
poppler_0.12.4-0ubuntu4_2_0.12.4-0ubuntu5.debdiff attached there for
information. I'm removing old debdiff to avoid confusion.
poppler (0.12.4-0ubuntu5) lucid-proposed; urgency=low
*
Thanks to arand for notifying me that the diff contained some gtk-doc build
cruft.
Fixed in -proposed and pushed the new debdiff.
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i am very happy to see this implemented, i have tried this patch for a
while now (in karmic) and it works great.
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I agree... now, it's MUCH better.
However, I think it would be better if one could select the text from
only one column. I think this makes more sense as most of the times one
doesn't want to select, at the same time, part of a column and part of
the other column.
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@João Gomes:
Hmm, that is the main issue that these patches are supposed to take care of.
You are running the patched version?
Which document are you testing on?
And the patched version does still struggle in some specific cases,
something which will probably not be addressed until the far-future
I used the PPA from Arand:
https://launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/poppler
After the update of the libpoppler, when I past the text copied from two
columns, the text of the first column is pasted separately from the text
of the second column.
Before the update, the text was pasted all mixed, as
Sorry!!!
I realize now that this is supposed to be a solution for Evince.
I was using Okular.
I tried now with Evince and it works very well.
Thank you and sorry again for the confusion!
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João - actually that's quite interesting - this side effect in Okular is
something I hadn't seen. Going back through my mails I see Carlos told
me:
Okular doesn't use TextOutputDev for selecting, but it does for
extracting the text, so it will be affected anyway.
This is what you're seeing -
Yes, it pastes all the text that is selected, and only that.
Yes, I agree, it is improved. Before, pasting text from two columns was
a complete mess. Now, at least, the text from both columns is pasted
separately.
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Carlos has just pushed the patches upstream, but is leaving the bug open
for future work (so the status of the upstream bug 3188 won't appear to
change). Hopefully this improves the chances of them making it into
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Nigel,
has the patch been committed to the Ubuntu package? I believe at this
point, no major merges will be done, and this will have to be approved
by release teams, so fix committed wouldn't apply. Please correct me
if I'm mistaken.
regards
FF
On Seg, 2010-04-19 at 14:06 +, Nigel Babu
I've talked to the desktop team and they are +1 for having this change,
so might see this as SRU in Lucid
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It would be great if this patch were included in Lucid. I'm one of the
people who read column-formatted scientific papers and fixing text
selection is definitely a must. Even if there were regressions, the
situation without the patch is much worse.
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@Nigel Babu:
My impression is that that Brian Ewins' comments is probably as much
upstream feedback as we are going to get. Since the upstream focus is
now shifted to the above mentioned long-term solution.
In that sense I would say the patches as it is now are complete, since
it's likely that
Please last comment on upstream bug, upstream is currently awaiting a
few changes to the patch and then it will be included upstream. Since
the patch is being worked on, patch-needswork is justified
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I really hope that this bug is fixed for Lucid by Ubuntu people as it
will probably not be fixed by evince folks in time for lucid.
This is a really annoying bug and one that really brings down the
usefulness of evince a lot.
to just put into perspective how annoying this bug is, this same
As far as I know, this is not going to make it into Lucid, because of
the patches not being incorporated upstream and neither reviewed.
It is a shame, but it seems we have both policy and upstream inactivity
(no complaint, just Brian seems to be busy otherwise) against it.
For the time being
Yes, I have had no time to work on/review this for a while now, for a
number of reasons. My calendar clears up a bit after Easter, hoping to
pick it up again then. However, its worth pointing out that the patches
as it stands are about as far as I want to push the current api (which
is based on
@Brian
are there any problems with comitting this patch in it's current form. I mean
any known regressions?
else we should just include it in ubuntu's evince for now atleast and then
revert back at beta 2 or something if something goes wrong.
Because from what u say it is going to be a long
@tpgraveen any known regressions. What we're testing here is a
heuristic for what users want, there is no right answer. So yes, in some
cases the selection is worse (a specific example is dealing with
bullet lists that have come from TeX, they leave a very wide gap before
the list text and poppler
@aloctavodia
Glad to hear it works.
Note that I am in no way involved with the coding of these patches, all credit
should go to Brian Ewins and Marek Kasik. I have simply packaged their patches
for ease of installing.
All feedback/suggestions that doesn't concern the packaging and/or are
@arand I install the popller libraries from your ppa, the problem is
almost fixed I tried ten different pdfs (all scientific papers from
different journals) and I don´t have any problem with the text
selection!!! this is great!!! I only had a problem with one pdf that I
generate from a odt file
Added rough debdiff for Lucid as well, and testing packages in my PPA.
Anyone care to do any testing?
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would be nice to have the change reviewed by upstream before considering
it tough
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thank you for your efforts there though, testing feedback from the ppa
is welcome
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Testing packages for the upstream patches, for ubuntu 9.10, are
available from my poppler ppa, (nil safety included).
_rough_ debdiff attached (e.g. patches are not in upstream master yet
(as far as I know), changelog might be a tad bit too verbose). But it
would definitely be great if we could
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Happy to see that bug is also annoying others.
In most of the double column pdf docs evince is not able to select the contents
of just one column. It selects the rows from all columns.
It is the major reason forcing me to use Adobe reader (the other is minor,
tabbed windows).
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* Original bug does not mention anything about selection, only PASTE. This
suggests a problem with the format of text that already has been selected.
Pasting tables cells in strange order, Bug#: 3188 (
Hi Brian, thanks for working on this! Could you put a patched version in
a PPA? I am more than willing to test this but I have no experience with
patching/building software...
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Wouter: I'll see what I can do, but it might be a while. I've never
built a PPA either (and had to look that up). I recently gave up on
using Gnome Dev Kit (Foresight Linux) for an Ubuntu 9 VM, so who knows,
there may be tools on that to help me. However, I don't have much time
to work on this and
I've uploaded an updated patch series to
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188 , with corrections to
selection and reading order. Those of you who can apply these and
rebuild evince might want to give this a go? Comments over there please!
For me it fixes up selection for most (but not
David #19: you say it perhaps recognizes column stuff from the display
layout instead of the internal representation.
In PDF, the internal representation *is* just the display layout.
Internally, poppler tries to divide this text into blocks (roughly
paragraphs) which are then grouped into
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Jezza, thanks for taking the initiative. I think it might be better to
point at the bug in their bug tracking system since they probably do not
care as much about launchpad:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188
I did contact the person who submitted the last patch:
...@andresmh.com
Subject: [Bug 33288] Re: Evince doesn't handle columns properly
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Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 3:25 PM
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Same problem with trying to select text from a single column in a two
column document (i.e. virtually all scientific papers that I read). I
attempt to highlight lines from one column and the entirety of the
adjacent column is also selected. Seems like a very silly problem that
should be fixed
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 13:01 +, Neil Bennett wrote:
Same problem with trying to select text from a single column in a two
column document (i.e. virtually all scientific papers that I read). I
attempt to highlight lines from one column and the entirety of the
adjacent column is also
Yep, I also find this of medium annoyance, these are the little things that put
people off ubuntu.
Probably not very glamorous to fix, but i am not a programmer either.
i second the above, should be fixed ASAP (i posted this as part of the
100 papercuts)
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The number of ubuntu users who read scientific articles is probably
high. Perhaps we can advertise this bug more broadly to get more
attention. Maybe we could even contribute a bit of money towards paying
a developer to fix this. If people are willing to pay money to buy
things like EndNote I
Good idea.
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 13:58 +, Andres Monroy-Hernandez wrote:
The number of ubuntu users who read scientific articles is probably
high. Perhaps we can advertise this bug more broadly to get more
attention. Maybe we could even contribute a bit of money towards paying
a
Incidentally, I have switched to Adobe reader solely for this reason,
but I really am not happy with this solution.
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I will send the following email to the developers of evince, I imagine
they know the most about it, and the person best qualified to fix it.
Dear Evince Developers,
I would like to point out a minor bug in Evince, and would ask if / how
this bug could be addressed and fixed. It is quite
Yes. It is very difficult to untangle the desired text from the
'selected' text. This is a basic issue that I'm sure all would like
resolved. Thanks.
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I'm also experiencing this problem. Looking forward to having a solution
for this problem that has been around for a couple of years now!
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I have a similar problem. When trying to select a paragraph of text in a
multicolumn document, evince selects text from other columns too and so
the whole lot is copied. I am using Ubuntu 9.04 with Evince Document
Viewer 2.26.0.
You can try the bug using the attached PDF. Try selecting any text
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Evince doesn't work properly with two-column documents. If I select some text
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on Adobe Acrobat for Linux whenever I realize it has multiple columns.
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This sux. Also, It'd be cool to open PDFs inside Firefox just like when
using Adobe's program.
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