[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2012-12-24 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evolution Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 Title: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-11-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package evolution - 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 --- evolution (2.32.0-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * Upstream release 2.32.0 - Empty reply quotation for HTML messages (LP: #630566, #659513) - Encrypt to self by default on newly created mail (LP: #326979) -

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-11-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/evolution-data-server ** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/evolution -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-11-23 Thread Knut
Who cares? I have moved to Thunderbird a long time ago, cannot use software with critical errors that is not funny to correct, and those set to maintain the source spend more time arguing semantics than getting the bug fixed. So I see Novell has been acquired, and I hope Evolution is taken off

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Trevor Roberts
I agree with Knut. If the concept of Move to Another Folder is so hard to grasp that you think it is okay to allow a valuable email to be trashed instead (and possibly deleted forever with stuff you deem to be trash), then it seems you are impossible to convince. I have had such a problem that I

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Knut
In a way: Good to hear, because if they loose emails (objects in my terminology) its because they do not know how many email objects that the containers (e.g. files) hold. A inconsistency is then that the number of actual emails in a folder, including deleted ones, then subtract the number

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Paul Smith
It would be good if people could be explicit about what version of Evolution they're using AND (more importantly) what type of email server they're connecting to. Evolution has to interact with them differently (because the services have different capabilities). Are you using locally-delivered

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Knut
Both is past tense, and none of us indicated that we interface to a remote storage. That is your imagination. What we use is the regular MBOX formatted files - and access the email as regular POP accounts. You make assumptions, and refuse to count. The result is that the software you make is

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Mathias Kende
Paul Smith : The problem exists with any version of evolution and I see it with both IMAP and POP server. My problem is really not the reliability of the software, but its usability. E.g. I'm using evolution and, I suddenly press the DEL key (accidentally). And I don't which exact mail has been

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Knut
That is the way it works in Thunderbird and Opera Mail and all other mail systems I know of. DELETE is to MOVE to the Trash folder, and ctrl+z / Undo will MOVE it back. MOVE is to copy the content from source to destination, and if successful, delete the source, if failure, remove all traces

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-10-12 Thread Trevor Roberts
Paul, I am using Evolution 2.28.3. I am receiving my mail from a remote ISP via POP, and mail arrives on my local drive - there is no local server involved. The Preferences window does not provide any tab for incoming mail - it just shows my one POP account. Your assertion that there is now way

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-20 Thread Knut
Dear Peter Smith, I have managed the implementation os several email clients with a larger distribution than Evolution. You have some serious misunderstandings to cope with. How Trash is implemented in Evolution is not my concern. If this is a virtual folder, the bug is even worse. Just

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-19 Thread Paul Smith
Knut: your comments reveal a relatively shallow understanding of the email environment. And they show you haven't understood the real situation with Evolution. As for discussions of how IMAP servers ought to work, you should be filing those bugs with the teams that create the IMAP servers; I'm

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-16 Thread Paul Smith
Ayeyiyi. Knut, please stop trying to impress everyone with your credentials and consider that you might actually not know everything about everything quite yet, regardless of how much you know about databases. I've been programming on UNIX since before POSIX even existed and I certainly

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-16 Thread Mathias Kende
Disregarding the database problem, the point of view of the submitters of the two bug that were marked as dupplicate of this one is quiet different. There problem (and mine) is that, whenever a mail is moved along, a copy _appears_ in the trash folder (both with local mail and with IMAP folders).

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-16 Thread Knut
Well, thank you for at least taking the time. But it is completely wasted. You do not know enough to answer. The mail service used to be a simple Unix-to-Unix copy-file (UUCP) command. So, a file was transferred from one Unix server/client to another Unix server/client. The various Exchange

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-16 Thread Knut
Thanks Mathias, It not only appears in the Trash folder, it allocates place somewhere, and can be undeleted. Now I wonder where the undeleted email will appear, since it has no original reference. It is incorrect to place it in the Intray and then Move it to where it belongs - that will

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-16 Thread Knut
I will refrain from commenting on your skills. For move: Please study available literature - such as SVID / POSIX Memory(). These documents are integral to the Linux definition. Evolution is an Email client according to the SMTP protocol - and not the IMAP. IMAP is another functionality. If

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-15 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evolution Importance: Unknown = Low -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. --

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-15 Thread Knut
1. The error is GENERAL. Every user of Evolution suffer from this error. Just look at the chat's 2,Importance is HIGH The error causes incosistency in cardinality in the indexes used for later searches. You will skip object for search. In databases the error is common, and a disaster.

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-15 Thread Knut
1. The error is GENERAL. Every user of Evolution suffer from this error. Just look at the chat's 2,Importance is HIGH The error causes incosistency in cardinality in the indexes used for later searches. You will skip object for search. In databases the error is common, and a disaster.

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-15 Thread Knut
But - as you see - it is easy to avoid - just do not use Evolution, move on the Thunderbird. So - why not drop Evolution, let Novell debug it themselves, and drop it from the support base of Ubuntu. -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-15 Thread Knut
But - as you see - it is easy to avoid - just do not use Evolution, move on the Thunderbird. So - why not drop Evolution, let Novell debug it themselves, and drop it from the support base of Ubuntu. -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-09-15 Thread Paul Smith
I'm loathe to get involved here since Knut seems intent on flaming and not so interested in understanding, but reading the comments here I've been struck by a great attention to irrelevant details and not much clear description of the real issue. Knut continually makes reference to a MOVE

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-05-31 Thread Martin Mai
Upstream bug has been marked as duplicate of bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206061 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #206061 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206061 ** Changed in: evolution Status: Invalid = Unknown ** Changed in: evolution Remote watch:

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2010-05-28 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evolution Status: In Progress = Invalid -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. --

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-07-23 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
there's an upstream bug with similar issues at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329946 ; may you please comment/discuss there where the software authors can read about it? Thanks in advance. ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #329946 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329946

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-07-23 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evolution Status: Unknown = In Progress -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. --

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-05-22 Thread Knut
-- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-29 Thread Knut
-- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-27 Thread Sebastien Bacher
there is no reason why copy + flag should destroy any data since it will flag only after a working copy -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-26 Thread Sebastien Bacher
changing back to NEW, to pick by somebody who has a clear opinion about that and wants to bring it to the sofrware writters rather than the distributor ** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = New -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-26 Thread Knut
I installed a complete utdate of Ubuntu and Evolution upgrade to 2.26.1 The bug is very obvious and consistent still. On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 22:46 +, Jamie Strandboge wrote: ** Visibility changed to: Public -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-26 Thread Marc Deslauriers
There is nothing wrong with Evolution. The behaviour is expected in an imap mail client. The Trash folder isn't actually a folder, but simply lists email that has the deleted flag set. When you move an email from Folder A to Folder B, a copy is made into Folder B and, if successful, the original

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-26 Thread Knut
Your interpretation of the named RFC and software engineering leaves a lot to be appreciated related to semantics. As you will see from several other bugs, MOVE is not the same as COPY + DELETE_ORIGINAL. MOVE is similar to RENAME - no new instance is to be made. In a object oriented explanation,

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-25 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Please answer these questions: * Is this reproducible? * If so, what specific steps should we take to recreate this bug? This will help us to find and resolve the problem. ** Changed in: evolution

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-25 Thread Knut
yes - Sebastian - it is consistent. You can make another folder than Inbox, touch and email and try to drop it into the new folder. What happens is that the email ends up in the new folder - but a copy of it is in the Deleted Items /Trash folder. This means that a duplicate has been created.

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-25 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the description is confusing, that way to move is a standard imap one and if you disagree you should open a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org to discuss it with the people writting the software -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

Re: [Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-25 Thread Knut
I have no clue to your background - not have you any clue to mine. I have led Unix ports for a computer company and been deputy director of RD in the same. I have lead knowsoft systems such as Oracle ond also contributed to Sybase. I have managed huge projects, most software. The bug is obcious

[Bug 365270] Re: Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first.

2009-04-24 Thread Jamie Strandboge
** Visibility changed to: Public -- Move is Copy + Thrash, should be Move that removes all traces of the first. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365270 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to evolution in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs