Now that there's an Ubuntu-Gnome distribution, the patch should be
reverted so that Rhythmbox works as expected in Ubuntu-GNOME. And stock
Ubuntu should fix Rhythmbox by having a rhythmbox-unity package or
something like that. There's no reason why GNOME users shuld suffer from
Unity's behaviour.
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On my Ubuntu 8.10 PC activating a Rhythmbox-plugin called minimize to
tray solved this issue.
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No it's not properly fixed, I was wrong, the situation is always the
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There should be a plugin available in rhythmbox to switch to the desired
behaviour. As far as I understand this is the most we will ever get (and
it is enough for me at least).
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Isn't this properly fixed in intrepid? AFAIR (I am not using ubuntu
right now - since I am not on my PC) rhythmbox has now no icon by
default. If you enable the notification area plugin then it minimises.
This is in my opinion a very good fix - but maybe I remember one thing
for another :)
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Definitely a bug or inconsistency in my opinion.
As mentioned something like Pidgin, if I select close or click the x
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this. Hence I see it as a bug as it's not consistent with other apps.
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@Vincenzo Ciancia: Just to be sure, you think devs should add a button instead
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If that's it, I actually completely agree with you.
At least, there is the plugin now.
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In my opinion, there should be consistency among all gnome apps, so the
default should be not quitting but closing, for reason that I longly
explained. If I have to resort to a preference, I personally don't care
if it's a plugin or a hidden setting or whatever: I will be able to
choose what I
Just to be constructive I could add that a different _proper_ solution
to me seems the following: just don't have a notification area icon by
default. Thus, rhythmbox would act like totem and no inconsistency would
be experienced. This bug is already fix-released and I shouldn't be
commenting
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http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5488/
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The bug is fixed upstream
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318629
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right, this has been discussed on IRC this morning in a constructive way
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Sebastien,
do you know if it's possible to get a log of the discussion and where? I
am quite interested in it.
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there is nothing interesting in the log, upstream agreed that the plugin
was a good option but just didn't want to commit due to the users
attitude on the bug, he suggested that somebody else should do the
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My fault, I overlooked the upstream bug report. It was fixed by adding
the relevant plugin. Very good.
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How has this bug been fixed? Was it finally decided to leave an option
to the user and which is the default? This is very good news in any
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I'm glad the option has shown up. I think turning it on by default would
be good for Ubuntu (in terms of consistency), but I don't care to debate
this any more than saying that.
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Il giorno mer, 02/07/2008 alle 15.08 +, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto:
there is nothing interesting in the log, upstream agreed that the
plugin
was a good option but just didn't want to commit due to the users
attitude on the bug
On this bug report, I see a constructive discussion, getting
the issue is not this one, but that's not because you disagree with
whoever is writting the code that you have rights to rant at him or to
comment in a not correct way
the code is open and the people who are working on it can take whatever
choice they want, they work on their free time, don't
Sebastien,
As you said, developers are free to do what they want, but this does not
mean users are not allowed to complain when they believe developers are
wrong or are behaving in an unprofessional way. It is perfectly right
for a user to express his opinion, even in a very direct way, and I
why should people who are hobbists and working for free should behave in
a professional way? the comment was not a reply to your contribution but
some people have not been correct in their behaviour and that's what
created the conflict. everybody will agree than discussion and good
sense usually
why should people who are hobbists and working for free should behave
in a professional way?
To avoid unnecessary attrition with the users. To have constructive
discussions with the goal of improving the software under development.
To avoid negative energy as you called it. In my opinion these
Il giorno mer, 02/07/2008 alle 20.29 +, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto:
why should people who are hobbists and working for free should behave
in
a professional way?
That's ok Sebastien, that's why I in principle did not bother
quarrelling upstream and asked for a choice in ubuntu, like for
The upstream bug has been closed with WONTFIX. Last comment was:
Comment #46 from Jonathan Matthew (rhythmbox developer, points: 23)
2008-07-01 22:16 UTC [reply]
I am tired of even thinking about this issue. In future, I'm not even going
to
comment on it (or anything related), let alone
For anyone interested, I've put a fork of RB on GitHub, with this
change applied. I'll continue to pull updates from Rhythmbox until I
get bored.
http://github.com/alex-weej/boombox/tree/master
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This can be patched in Ubuntu pretty easily. We just need to drop this file in
debian/patches (as 20_close_to_tray.patch or something):
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=70929action=view
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If the patch has been merged upstream (I don't care if using a plugin)
then I am fine with that. For consistency with other applications, this
should be enabled by default but I guess you can't ask too much. What I
understood in principle was that the patch had not been accepted
upstream, if it
could everybody stop comment spamming this bug? the default will not be
changed because some vocal users decided to add lot of comments there
some comments though:
- the notification area is not made to have applications staying there
- consistancy is good, but do you have many applications not
Sebastien, I'd like to address some of your comments:
could everybody stop comment spamming this bug? the default will not be
changed because some
vocal users decided to add lot of comments there
I don't care about the default, I care about having an option. We are
vocal because the option is
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It is obvious to me that when different users wish different
reasonable behaviours you offer choice, that's what made a lot of people
vocal about all of this story. This seems not obvious to the rhythmbox
developers and at least I cannot figure out why.
could be that you are using the wrong
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Sebastien,
- launchpad is a distribution bug tracker and people who read your
comments are packagers and bug triagers, not people who writte this code
Since from upstream it is not clear if and when at least the plugin will
be released I just asked for a fix included in the distribution package:
the comment was not especially about your contribution but a note for
the people ranting on this bug, your comment upstream is mostly
constructive though nobody claims to know better, whoever is writting
the software is just free to take the choice he wants for his code and
being agressive to
the comment was not especially about your contribution but a note for
the people ranting on this bug, your comment upstream is mostly
constructive though nobody claims to know better, whoever is writting
the software is just free to take the choice he wants for his code and
being agressive to
As has been pointed out right at the top of the thread, GNOME has very
clear rules and guidelines about how applications should behave in order
to fit in with the rest of the environment:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/
Currently, Rhythmbox violates those guidelines, as clearly
Btw transmission doesn't close too, when clicking on close button.
I don't remember any 'background' application that does
Even in KDE
Please add an option to rhytmbox, and thats all and lets move forward,
We users don't ask to remove an option, or even change an option, but just add
it
and
Il giorno lun, 30/06/2008 alle 07.46 +, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto:
some comments though:
- the notification area is not made to have applications staying there
- consistancy is good, but do you have many applications not closing
when you close those? that's rather pidgin and the reboot
Il giorno lun, 30/06/2008 alle 09.08 +, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto:
- you will not convince people who are working for free on the code
and trying to fix your issues by being vocal or rant, quite the
contrary
- the issue is usually that people working on free software projects
are really
the 8 comments added on saturday don't bring any value to the bug and I
consider that spamming the people subscribed to the bug, that's what this
pointless discussion do too so I'll stop contributing to it now, some notes
though:
- giving urls to other website or blog entry is not considered as
Sebastian -- both a complete GConf option, documented et al, and a
plugin are available on the upstream Bugzilla. The fact is that Jon
Matthews doesn't like the idea at all, and is clearly reluctant to
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Sebastien,
among the 8 comments you mention there is described a workaround which
interested users (I guess every users who is interested in this bug) can
use to get what they want quickly and somewhat painlessly. They also
made clear that a fix at ubuntu level is unlikely, even if I would find
Alleluja! There is a plugin which does not require patches to rhythmbox
itself! My bad I didn't get it...
You can get it from there:
http://methlab42.itee.uq.edu.au/~jonathan/rhythmbox-plugins/dontreallyclose/
If you prefer I changed it a bit to get the correct animation when hiding the
window:
Hi, Christian ,as said upstream, your version of the plugin doesnpt work for me!
It correctly minimize to tray when clicking on close button, but I can't
restore the window clicking on the tray icon...
No issues with the original version of the plugin.
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You're right, I'm sorry. Please disregard my version, I'll try to get it
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Thanks Vicenza for this patch so desired. But to be a version
rhythmbox_0.11.5-0ubuntu6 + quickfix1_i386.deb and sources of official
0.11.5-0ubuntu8 always asks for upgrade...
Is there any way to resolve this?
It is incredible that something so trivial, so simple and so necessary to give
this
erlguta,
you can upgrade to the new (unpatched) version ad use the plugin from
http://methlab42.itee.uq.edu.au/~jonathan/rhythmbox-plugins/dontreallyclose/
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Il giorno sab, 28/06/2008 alle 04.14 +, Ian ha scritto:
I should be consistent like every other popular music app on Linux
Amarok, Listen, Banshee... it should close to the tray icon.
It *does* seem to me like developers are just waiting for people to
forget this. Just asking for a
Vincenzo,
I understand your disappointment but I don't think the developers are
waiting for people to forget. This issue has been fixed upstream with a
trivial patch wich adds a gconf option, so the developers did do
something about this problem (even if it took a long battle for
this...).
What
Sorry that we could see some frustration building up over the bug's
status. As you can see, it has been confirmed, triagged and in
progress, which means you have indeed got some attention over this bug.
As bsolar points out, may be it needs to be backported to the existing
version in Hardy. Let's
Go and yell upstream, I very much doubt Ubuntu will be shipping this
feature as a distribution patch.
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I very much doubt Ubuntu will be shipping this
feature as a distribution patch.
Is there a particular reason for this?
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No, just my experience.
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So when this is going to be fixed?
I am also tired of this bug.
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I agree... PLEASE fix this. This is just ridiculous... I know its
minor, but its my biggest gripe about rhythmbox.
I should be consistent like every other popular music app on Linux
Amarok, Listen, Banshee... it should close to the tray icon.
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Would it be possible to add this patch to the rhythmbox package shipped
with ubuntu? This bug is more than 2 years old and there is a trivial
fix...
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Bravo for the patch...much better, thanks!
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Here is the new ppa. The ubuntu-quickfix team is open to provide simple
and widely requested cures like this one, please join if you can do
that.
To get rhythmbox that minimizes to tray instead of exiting, use the
sources.list line in the page below or download .deb archives directly
from there.
I have patched this upstream as a gconf option weeks ago. It's on the
upstream report. Save the effort.
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Alexander: in which version of gnome will this end? Will it hit hardy or
intrepid?
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I'm so tired of losing my random track or having to re-buffer my radio
feed because I accidentally close Rhythmbox. This happens 2-3 times a
session.
Minimizing to tray on close, honestly, should simply be the default
behaviour. It is just common sense.
Barring that, there should at least be an
I attach the obvious 4 lines patch that fixes this bug. Notice there's a
TODO to make it an option. I don't think an option would be of any use
here but if any of you can come with code I will add it to my patch. I
will upload the fixed package to a new PPA as soon as possible, this
means that
RIDICULOUS!!!
Every other application that resides in the system tray (or whatever it
is called in Ubuntu) minimizes to that tray when the X in the upper
right of the application window is clicked. Only Rythmbox actually
quits when I click that button.
This has been a problem for years and
It should be a Gnome thing, but the Gnome Apps should shre a comon
interface and behavior Rythmbox could exily fix in their own code and
at least the platform would be consistent.
Make it a law later, because everyone agrees.
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The current behaviour is a massive usability disaster.
Scenario:
I'm listening to music, RB's main window is hidden.
I click the RB icon, and the window shows up.
I close the window.
My music stops. Huh?
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I don't have the necessary time. If some of you could prepare a patch
for the ubuntu package, we can distribute the package trough a ppa on
launchpad in the meantime and see if people likes it. Patch should be
trivial but as I said I don't personally have the time to look into
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i think close in system tray option is a must for a system tray
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I'm impressed by the blindness of rhythmbox developers.
It's about 1 year that it's been discussed.
Don't you think that this worth an option to choose if you want to close or
minimize to tray, when you click window's close button?
I think this should be true for every app that has a reason to
I have now just removed Rhythmbox because of the way it exits and not
closes, I was okay with it not having an equalizer (though that did
bother me), exiting instead of closing is absolutely intolerable.
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I think than i will be very good if i can choose what application should
do, considering that different peoples has different opinions. It should
be a preference option that will control behavior of Close (button
with crosshair). By default it should be turned off, so never versions
of application
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I am just calling for a comment on the hig violation I mentioned, that
closing a window should not cause an object in the panel to disappear.
For what I understand about tray icons and the intended behavior of
rhythmbox, this application shouldn't have a tray icon at all. In any
case, I don't
the notification area is not made for daemon but for notifications as
suggested by its naming
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Still, the HIG violation is there. However, I should ask this question
on the gnome bug tracker, not here, because violating the HIG is an
issue of gnome, not ubuntu. I will do that ASAP.
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rhythmbox has one window and there is no reason you should close it and
than have to go to the systray and right click there to stop using it,
there is no consensus there, you should rather argue upstream on
bugzilla.gnome.org
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All applications I know that have an icon in the system tray can show a
window when clicked, but closing that window will not make the
application quit or the icon disappear from the systray. Is it ok to
close a window, but the application in this context is represented by
the systray icon, like
Ok, I've read other discussions on the gnome bug tracker. Not going to
surrender :) Sorry for causing trouble here, but I really think I am
seeing a mistake in gnome, and would like to see it corrected. So let me
summarize the two most important points that have been overlooked, apart
from
The first application I met which didn't close, but minimized to the tray, was
skype, and that was confusing for me.
Why didn't it close?
Close has allways meant close. Minimize was minimize.
IMHO a program should provide an extra systray-icon, if wanted.
rhythmbox is doing right - the others
What do you mean with IMHO a program should provide an extra systray-
icon, if wanted ? That users should be able to choose whether to have
or not a systray icon?
Anyways, stefan: before skype, did you ever see any other application
which installed a systray icon when launched using menus?
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Yes, Close has allways (sic) meant close, and minimize has always
meant minimize. Furthermore, quit has always meant quit. Why on earth
would the close button mean quit on an application that has other
objects open? Closing the buddy list in Pidgin shouldn't close all the
conversation windows any
Adding an option in preferences could solve this...
Listen for examlple has a close in system tray option that you can enable.
Please move this to wishlist...
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This came up again with Pidgin...
(12:52:57) John Bailey (rekkanoryo): I can think of AIM, yahoo, windows
live messenger, mozilla seamonkey, I believe myspaceim, and a bunch of
others whose names aren't occurring to me right now that force the
default of close button == send to tray icon
Also,
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Applications that have a tray icon are generally long-running. (Why else would
they have the ability to minimize to tray?) Thus, the desired behavior when I
close that window is that the application keep going. The desired behavior when
I close other apps (say Firefox, GnuCash, OpenOffice.org,
Thanks for your bug. The close button is supposed to close the
application, that's a feature not a bug, I'm rejecting it since that's
not a bug
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I disagree. Look at what Gaim does in the same situation.
With rhythmbox, if I click minimize, it minimizes to the tray. If I click
close, it quits. There is no way that I can see to minimize it to the tray from
the application itself. I have to go up and hit the tray icon. This
consequently
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