@Geraldo: When seeing your comment #175, I can't help thinking of bug
#1573755. It's a subtle issue, and to check if that is what you have,
you can either enter a guest session or create a new test user.
Otherwise, one observation I have made is that Wayland (enabled by
default in Ubuntu 17.10,
The following fix did the trick for me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4ezv4s/us_international_keyboard_giving_%C4%87_instead_of_%C3%A7/
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Hello Everyone. I've been following this thread and tried every fix here to no
avail.
I live in Canada and I want to keep my Ubuntu in English, with Canadian Locale
because most of the time I'll be writing in english and working regularly with
Canadian (very similar to us) locale, I guess...
Hi Felipe,
Thanks for the feedback. This issue has been kind of solved by Gunnar
for ubuntu, for given selections of locales (comment #115).
The issue is that now I installed Mint, and realized that the fixes are
not spread to other ubuntu based distributions.
I still do not understand how can
Please see bug #228077 for information on the report upstream rejected
for gnome-control-center.
Leandro, I don't have a US keyboard anymore (nor did a read all the
comments here), but if this is still an issue, I don't think a fix will
appear anytime soon.
Good luck on this.
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Title:
cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c
To
@Felipe: I have now tested the fix of Post 115 and it works in Emacs as well in
a new instalation of Linux Mint.
If you confirm that it does not work for you, please let us know the details.
(Please remember setting the keyboard
to US-International with dead keys).
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In Emacs inside terminal (with the option -nw) it works very fine! But
not in Emacs windowed version.
GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.9)
of 2014-06-06 on brownie, modified by Debian
My system is a Xubuntu:
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor
Hi Felipe,
I tried it on the windowed emacs, and it worked. I think you need to logout and
login again so that the new
option applies to all instances of your session.
Leandro.
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I have prepared for supporting pt_PT in the same manner as pt_BR, and
when doing so I learned some new stuff.
The default input method framework in Ubuntu is IBus, and as long as
IBus is enabled, it's actually IBus which turns '+c to ç when LC_CTYPE
is pt_BR.UTF-8. Only when IBus is disabled, the
Unfortunately I tested all solutions in this long thread and it does not
work in all cases. For example, for me, in Emacs I still get ć instead ç
and in IntelliJ and Webstorm the same. I have to let a gedit opened,
type there and then copy/paste, what is a mess! This fix have to
rollback exactly
@Felipe
Venting out frustrations will not help in getting the bug fixed.
Let us try to be more factual.
You came up with a test case.
Please give your feedback in an orderly way so Canonical and the community
can help.
What version of Ubuntu were you testing.
Which sw did you test and what was the
@raphael-calvo Your tears are delicious.
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Title:
cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c
To manage
Concerning the pt_PT: Although we do not have manifestations from Portuguese
people, we can be quite certain (as we know the Portuguese language :-) ) that
the fix will be useful for them as well. Concerning other latin languages:
Spanish, French, Italian, none of them have the acute-c
Dear Gunnar,
I think the LC_TYPE approach will solve much of the complains, because
I think most people installing Ubuntu will be physically located in
Brazil and will naturally choose the location as Brazil. If in that case
the cedilla will be typed as we expect it, that will be fine.
At the
Hi Leandro!
On 2015-04-06 14:44, Leandro wrote:
I think the LC_TYPE approach will solve much of the complains,
because I think most people installing Ubuntu will be physically
located in Brazil and will naturally choose the location as Brazil.
If in that case the cedilla will be typed as we
Dear Gunnar,
Thank you very much, this is a great progress on this issue.
The brazilian community is very active for Ubuntu and other linux distros, and
flavours and forums
exist. I will do my best to pass the message, such that this solution becomes
heard over the many
other workarounds.
By
Gunnar,
My guess here is based on history but maybe I am wrong
The reason we Brazilians use the US international keyboard so much is
because in the '70s and '80s we didn't have a national industry to cope
with our internal demands for products related to computers. Almost every
single
One more thing...
In the glory days of DR-DOS/MS-DOS, if I am not mistaken, there was no
keyboard setup specially made for Brazil regarding US International
keyboard. It was a setup for Latin languages, I.e., every country that has
a latin language was affected (French, portuguese, Italian...)
Gunnar
Thank you very much for your time trying to solve this bug with the
community.
It is really important for us in Brazil and for Ubuntu as well.
Best regards man!
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, 10:50 Raphael Calvo raphael.ca...@gmail.com
wrote:
Gunnar,
I do agree we must have input from someone
Gunnar,
I do agree we must have input from someone from Portugal to validate
everything we are saying...
But, even though I especulated about Portugal history the other post with
MS-DOS configuration data is solid data and can be corroborated with a
simple web research.
Regards.
On Fri, Apr 3,
We can find some evidence of what I am saying here about the Latin Code
page for MS-DOS.
http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/KEYB
Here follows a screenshot of the MS-DOS character set setup a.k.a.
codepage).
Note that in the keyboard code in Brazil is Empty... That is because on
that time in history
Thanks for the additional info, Raphael!
Both Leandro's research and your input indeed indicate that we should
make the same change for pt_PT, but it would be good if someone living
in Portugal could comment on it first, so we don't upload something
based on speculation.
Are you Brazilian guys
Thanks for your comments re pt_PT, Leandro.
As long as we consider setting LC_CTYPE, in any of the ways mentioned in
comment #96, a fix, it should be noted that '+c results in ç
irrespective of which keyboard layout you use. In other words, the
changed behavior is not conditioned by the use of an
** Also affects: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Title:
cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c
To manage
To make it easier to keep discussing this issue, I committed a change to
language-selector, which hopefully is a step in the right direction.
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Medium
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Fix Committed
@Raphael: Of course we want a consistent behavior in all applications.
Since you mention pt_PT, it should be noted that the commit I just made
affects pt_BR only. Possibly there is a reason to do the same for pt_PT,
but I think it needs to be discussed first. Added a libX11 task to
remember it.
This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.141
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* data/cedilla-brazil.sh:
Make it easier for Brazilian Portuguese users to type ccedilla (ç)
- partial solution to LP: #518056.
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On 2015-04-01 19:24, Rico Tzschichholz wrote:
@gunnarhj: The syntax of cedilla-brazil.sh is erroneous.
Ouch! It was not a syntax error, really, but still a stupid error. :(
Fixed in language-selector 0.142.
Thanks for pointing it out!
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Title:
cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c
Concerning the pt_PT: The portuguese from Portugal, although it has its
differences relative to brazilian
portuguese, has the same accents and it also requires the cedilla the same way,
so I suspected that they
had the same problem. I checked, then, the existence of the same tipe of claim
in
1) Windows - US International + Br.PT - '+c = ç
2) Windows - US International + EN.US - '+c = 'c
3) Ubuntu - US International + Br.PT - '+c = ć
4) Ubuntu - US International + EN.US - '+c = 'c
My expectation would be to have the behavior #1 == #3 across the whole
environment, i.e., terminal, gedit,
Uhm... I am not sure if that actually works as it should.
First, I tried to apply the pt_BR.UTF-8 locale (using export
LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF8) but the language pack was not installed,
therefore the workaround would only work after installing the language pack,
probably that will create the
same
Let me add: The reason why setting LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8 works is the
file /usr/share/X11/locale/pt_BR.UTF-8/Compose which belongs to the
libx11-data package.
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On 2015-03-31 17:15, Leandro wrote:
First, I tried to apply the pt_BR.UTF-8 locale (using export
LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF8) but the language pack was not installed,
therefore the workaround would only work after installing the
language pack, probably that will create the same kind of confusion
On 2015-03-30 22:37, Leandro wrote:
I see! No, unfortunately we also need the accute dead keys for á, é, í,
ó and ú.
I suspected that.
The key (phisically speaking) must be the same. That is, 'a = á, and
'c = ç
In that case I don't think that an additional keyboard layout is the way
to go.
Thank you Gunnar for the explanation.
Indeed, adding export LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8 to ~/.profile worked. It seems
that the combination
of sudo locale-gen pt_BR.UTF-8 and that works nicely and that it is a nice
workaround.
I don't understand yet exactly how this can become a defintive solution.
On 31/03/2015 18:52, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
For me it works in the terminal, in gedit, in LibreOffice, and in HTML
forms in Firefox.
I can now add that it works in Skype (a qt application) too. I have
tested it successfully in trusty, utopic and vivid.
Btw, my selected IM framework is IBus,
On 31/03/2015 23:37, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
Just like you I think it would be more natural to create an
alternative keyboard layout which could be selected in Text Entry. I
just don't know if and if so how it could be accomplished.
To clarify: As you know, I figured out how to add an
@Gunnar
first of all, thank you for your (weekend :) time and good will with
this issue. And yes, of course, this can be considered an answer. Now I
know where to start searching for the changes that affected the old
behaviour.
Unfortunately, I cannot test your PPA because my machine (this) is
@Leandro: I see that you have Ubuntu 14.04, so this is what you should
do: open Software Updates, select Other Software, highlight the
cedilla-test item by clicking it and then click the Edit... button. In
the new window, state utopic as the Distribution instead of trusty. I
added an attachment
xkb-data is architecture independent,...
Great! This makes things easier for everybody.
I'll try again late, after work, and share here. (I've tried with apt-get and,
of course, it didn't found the repo. )
If there proves to be a consensus on this approach to deal with the issue -
possibly
Dear Gunnar,
Certainly I will. I will do that in the following days. My only doubt is that
all my systems were
already modified with all those workarounds for the cedilla. I am not sure if I
will be able to verify that the PPA
works as it should.
Thank you very much, this is the way to the
xkb-data is architecture independent, so i386, amd64, etc. doesn't
matter. As regards different Ubuntu versions, I have successfully
installed and run the xkb-data package in my PPA on trusty, utopic, and
vivid installs. So even if it was built in utopic, you can install and
test it in trusty if
Dear Gunnar,
I tried installing the package from PPA, but although I can add the PPA
correctly,
I get messages like when updating the database:
Failed to fetch
http://ppa.launchpad.net/gunnarhj/cedilla-test/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch
Dear Gunnar,
I have installed a virtual box of Mint 17 - XFCE and tested your ppa,
and it worked perfectly.
This is fantastic. Thank you very much. I hope this gets into the main
distributions!
Leandro.
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Glad to hear that you appreciate it, Leandro.
I'd like to clarify the nature of the change. Basically I 'stole' the
dead key, which in the English (US, international with dead keys)
layout is used for typing á, é, ć, etc., and converted it to a dead key
for typing ȩ, ç, etc. The key is marked
Hello Gunnar,
I see! No, unfortunately we also need the accute dead keys for á, é, í,
ó and ú.
The key (phisically speaking) must be the same. That is, 'a = á, and
'c = ç
(We also have other accents, such as à, ã, ê, etc., but all other accents work
perfectly in the US-Intl with dead keys
In an attempt to make some progress on this issue, I have uploaded a
modified version of the xkeyboard-config package to my PPA at
https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/cedilla-test
It adds the keyboard layout English (US, international - cedilla). If
you install xkb-data from my PPA
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I have reported the bug again, at site and package suggested by Gunnar:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89795
Leandro.
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Could someone check out the ibus theory that I mentioned. I am currently
without a computer... Just mobile.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 13:50 Leandro 518...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
I have reported the bug again, at site and package suggested by Gunnar:
Dear J. S. Lopes and Gunnar,
I don't know the technical issues related to this problem.
On the other side, I have already reported an upstream bug back in July
2013. Nobody has read it.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709569
Leandro.
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@J. S. Lopes: An upstream bug report would be helpful. Please see my
comment #70.
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Title:
cedilla appears as accented c (ć
@gui ambros
Your workaround works :) . Smoothly. This little cedilla has become a PITA in
Ubuntu. By the way, I'm running UbuntuStudio 14.04, up-to-date. What we need to
do to solve this? I have some time. Maybe you, gui ambros, maybe Leandro knows
what must be done. I'll follow this thread.
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@Gunnar
It seems to me that since there is an workaround (uim + some local hack) a lot
of people who could help speed this up will not. But as long as IBus is used
by a lot of distros (default in Ubuntu and Fedora, according to Wikipedia), the
issue remains. Could you, please, point me what
Hi Gunnar,
thank you for your support. I did know about the altgr+c option. However, it is
unacceptable for touch-typists.
Also, not every keyboard has the altgr key and, anyway, the 'c combination is
the standard combination for
brazilian typists, so it would be very nice to have an
@Leandro: did you try the fix I proposed on #61?
Using uim and a custom .Xcompose will solve your issue with 'c (and all
others), no patch required.
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On 2015-01-28 00:54, Felipe Micaroni Lalli wrote:
... you have to let English (US, international) working in the
exactly same behavior it does in older versions of Ubuntu, in Mac OS
X, in Window, in other Linux distros etc.
The Ubuntu package is based on an upstream version of
Considering that some users prefer ć while others prefer ç, a reasonable
solution to this bug (as already mentioned) may be to add another
keyboard layout. Hence I added a xkeyboard-config task.
OTOH, it looks to me that there are a few layouts already available,
which permits you to type the ç
Gunnar Hjalmarsson. Well, you can let two layouts. But you have to let
English (US, international) working in the exactly same behavior it
does in older versions of Ubuntu, in Mac OS X, in Window, in other Linux
distros etc. I never heard about English US international map to ć. I
didn't know
Please change the priority low to high, this bug is unacceptable.
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Hi Calvo,
From the compose.txt file you mention, it looks like you are on the
right track. Can you please test it by installing the ibus-table-compose
package from the Ubuntu archive. By doing so, the file /usr/share/ibus-
table/tables/compose.db will be installed, and I think that's the binary
Well, considering that '+c seems to be converted to ć via compose.txt,
it would probably not help, but to test it I suppose we would need to
rebuild ibus-table-others with a modified compose.txt.
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I solved my problem with uim and a custom .XCompose. Works reliably
across gtk+2.0 and QT. Documented the steps here:
https://wrgms.com/using-xcompose-with-chrome-and-sublime-text/
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Great article...
I followed and installed on my computer and it works flawlessly.
I think I will use it until the bug is fixed.
Question, if I upgrade to a new Ubuntu version would I have to install him
back again?
Regards
Calvo
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If the problem is confirmed to be ibus related, as mentioned in my
previous comment, then the package should be set to:
ibus-table-others
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The UIM workaround works perfectly.
The article brought my attention to the possibility of iBus to be the
culprit.
I downloaded part of the source code from
https://code.google.com/p/ibus/downloads/detail?name=ibus-table-
others-1.2.0.20100512.tar.gzcan=2q=
decompressing
I've set it back to gtk+2.0, since the author of comment #38 offered no
explanation of why they were reassigning this bug to simply Ubuntu
without a package.
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likely to get developer attention this way than being left in limbo.)
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The standard for obtaining c-cedilla was working ok on my installation
until updating to 13.10. Unfortunately, it is now broken and I could not
find a way to write this letter, although I tried all the suggestions in
this thread.
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My problem is: while using the US layout, the behavior is the same on Windows.
To me, ok, but when, as you guys, I put other non-tech people using Ubuntu,
it's a problem.
On Windows, when I use US international, and I type '+c, I get ç. When I
type '+I, I get I'. So, I can type portuguese and
Just to answer your question and then I'm out of here: I used to write š
with [AltGr+Shift+.]+s and Ð with AltGr+Shift+D.
I agree that having Linux version of user-friendly editor of keyboard
layout would solve a lot of problems.
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Hi guys!
I'm Croatian and I've used '+c to produce letter ć, used in Croatian.
It's used also in Bosnian and Serbian. Serbs also have that letter when
they are using Latin letters. Although we do have Croatian and Serb
keyboard layouts, for programming I prefer to use US international
keyboard
How do you used to write Nataša, for example, with the US-keyboard that types
the accented-c key? Or the Đ letter?
Not that this discussion is of any relevance anymore, since all kinds of
suggestions don't seem to reach anyone, but what I suggested at first
was to have a keyboard layout in
The comments on this bug are so ridiculous - it would be funny if it
wasn't sad.
1. The request is for a new layout.
2. It does not affect any existing layout.
3. It is to help Portuguese-Brazilian users.
4. It does not affect anyone else.
5. Opinions on whether ' + c should or should not produce
Dear Winnyec, have even read the bug report? It is ridiculous and frustrating
to have to answer to someone that apparently didn´t read what is posted.
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@Leandro:
You can't be possibly serious about this. I write in many languages, and need
to be able to enter accented c (don't know currently how to do this, other
than copy-pasting it from another text), and I need to write it often. And
there are millions who do need accented c. I don't
in Xfce Quantal (Linux Mint 14) installing `ibus` and its dependencies
solved the problem.
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cedilla appears as
I fixed with
sudo apt-get remove ibus-qt4
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Title:
cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c
To manage
So... is there anyone looking into solving this issue? The workaround is
no longer giving results on Qt applications (at least not in TeXmaker).
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For QT applications you need to edit this file:
/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
and change every accented Cs by their corresponding Ç and ç (two times),
in these lines:
dead_acute C: Ç U0106 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH
ACUTE
dead_acute c: ç
I'm sorry, but what are we talking about? that multi_key apostrophe c
used to produce the character ć (c with acute)?
to my understanding, this is how it should be, and if you need ç, you follow
multi_key comma c, as correctly remarked in comment:1 (not so sure why it
was ignored).
somehow the
No, the problem is NOT having a keyboard layout for US keyboards in which
typing 'c gives ç.
Using multi-key for anything is not an option if you are a touch typist and the
letter you want
to type appears very frequently in your language.
The multi-key options are irrelevant for this
hi Leandro,
you write
as there are no accented Cs in any language that uses US keyboards...
and
I don't think that any other language uses US keyboards with dead keys...
please don't forget that there are quite a few languages around here in Europe,
some of them use ć, and when we write to
Hello Mario,
Serbian, for instance, has also the č, ć, ž, đ, š characters. None of them can
be typed in a US keyboard.
That is because Serbians have their own keyboard layout (and that is available
within the options
when one installs a linux distribution). It makes no sense to keep the
so you are pushing development towards dead_apostrophe + c producing ç.
I think it's wrong, inconsistent with the rest, but fine, we agree that we
disagree on this.
problem is that multi_key apostrophe c now also produces ç and
that there is no composition any more giving ć.
please note:
Mario, I do agree that ,c seems pretier to represent ç than 'c. However, ,c
cannot be typed
as a two stroke combination in a dead-key combination, obviously because the
comma cannot
be a dead key.
The only thing I would like to be pushing (I don't think my pushings are having
any effect, as
I certainly see the point of having dead_acute + c making a ç, even
though it's totally unintuitive, if for some odd reason it should prove
impossible to assign dead_grave + c or AltGr-, to it (none of which
would interfere with any existing characters).
But, as pointed out in #919899, then
This solution worked for me, although it sounds like hammering...
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/518056/comments/8
Thanks anyway!
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Ok, I spent quite long to figure out why cedilla was the new acute.
Since my keyboard already has a Ç key (which I use very rarely) I'm
quite annoyed with the decision of making dead_acute + c become a c with
cedilla instead of a c with acute (which doesn't have any other input
method that
Dear Cousteau,
The issue would be easily solved by the introduction of a keyboard
layout with the 'c = ç option (which, at this point, seems to be default
in some cases). I am far from understanding how are the technical issues
behind this. The usability issue is, on the hand, greater than simply
I've installed ubuntu 13.04 and the problem persists on kile and
texmaker. Pretty annoying!!
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I've just installed a fresh Linux Mint 13 and nothing changed (still getting
the accented c).
So, no luck there yet.
I confirm that installing the ibus package solves the problem for non-QT
applications. For libreoffice
is seems to work. I didn't install all packages starting with ibus, only
Leandro, I found (after lng hours of fiddling) that installing all
packages starting with ibus and rebooting solves the problem. Don't
know why, it just does. I tested this on both Kubuntu and Lubuntu 12.04.
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Thanks theblackjack. I'm not completely sure how is the current status of this
issue. In new instalations of Xubuntu 12.04 is seems that the default behaviour
is, finally, print ç for 'c for the US-international-with dead keys layout. I
have the impresion however that the problem persists in
Actually, I have some bad news... It seems that it worked for non-KDE
applications only. On Lubuntu, however, it is working right, so I guess
on standard Ubuntu or Xubuntu it should also work. Not sure what to do
about Libreoffice, though...
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Yes, that seems to be right. On Xubuntu, inside QtiPlot (which, of course, is
based on Qt - I think KDE is based on Qt), the cedilla does NOT work either.
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