RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
We will look into a fix. -Original Message- From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 3:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Ubuntu aims to be usable by ordinary human beings and accessible to the disabled. This issue is hurting those goals as follows: (1) Usability: Windows (95 onwards), Mac OS and KDE all have the ability to change border thickness *because clicking on a thin border is a problem for some people*. Microsoft, Apple and the KDE team all added this feature for a reason, and don't require you to change theme to change the border thickness. Border thickness is not a problem for many people I'm sure, but Ubuntu is missing out on part of its target market. (2) Accessibility: some people have motor control disabilities, e.g. tremor in the hand - it's important for them that it's *really easy* to set a larger window border, even on a smaller monitor. Ubuntu has relatively good support for visually impaired users - why not for users with motor control problems? Note that elderly people often have problem controlling the mouse (if they are new to computer), which is another accessibility issue - if you are struggling to accurately position the mouse pointer, a small window border makes it harder still. (3) Look and Feel: People should be able to choose a nice theme that they like (or is accessible to them), and independently tweak the border thickness - what if you hate blue but the only theme with a thicker border is blue? More importantly, what if you are visually impaired *and* have motor control problems, so you need a high-contrast theme, yet the only themes with a wide border are low contrast. The fact that only 30 people have commented here is misleading - only a tiny percentage of those experiencing this problem will bother to find the right bug and register on Launchpad. It's very likely it's affecting tens to hundreds of thousands of people, assuming Ubuntu's user base of 6 million is correct. Finally, Ubuntu should be *better* than Mac OS, Windows, etc - this is one area where its GNOME flavour is behind the competition. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border [The entire original message is not included] -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Does this affect COMPIZ as well? -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) In any case, the bug would be against the metacity theme and not the gtk theme ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) Status: Invalid = New ** Changed in: human-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Kenneth, I agree, although there should be an app somewhere, possibly built into gtkrc that allows change to little details like this. -Original Message- From: Neil Broadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 7:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) What resolution are you running at? Are you seriously suggestion that because YOU don't have a problem resizing, then everyone else who's filed against this bug must be wrong? You say that if I don't like the default, change it. How? How do you make grab borders bigger in Ubuntu? And what theme are you running that has 5px of border? Mine doesn't. 2px at the most here, using ClearLooks, although I've since changed it to Dust. Did you actually read ANY of the preceeding comments from the many, many people experiencing this problem? There are about 30 interested parties here I think. I'd really like to hear how to fix this - I've been waiting (and struggling) for over a year now. I'm also really confused about your last comment - you don't see the point of this bug anymore. What does that mean? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
*gtk not gtkrc -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 274461] Re: gnome-system-monitor window is semi-transparent when using compiz
IT IS NOT A BUG. COMPIZ DOES THIS ON PURPOSE. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Pacaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2008 4:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 274461] Re: gnome-system-monitor window is semi-transparent when using compiz No, it's a bug. May be not a gnome-system-monitor bug, but it's a bug. Simply marking this one as invalid doesn't solve the issue. ** Changed in: human-theme (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = New ** Changed in: gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = New -- gnome-system-monitor window is semi-transparent when using compiz https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/274461 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-theme in ubuntu. -- gnome-system-monitor window is semi-transparent when using compiz https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/274461 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
