[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Adolfo Jayme]

Upstream won't fix this.

** Package changed: gnome-session (Ubuntu) => unity-control-center
(Ubuntu)

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** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: gnome-session
  
  Getting stuff added to autostart is much too difficult. First of all,
  guessing that it's in System->Settings->Sessions is not very obvious.
  Second of all, actually adding stuff to the list is close to impossible
  if you're not familiar with the layout of the Linux filesystem.
  
  Possible solutions in order of preference:
  1) Add it to the context menu in the gnome menu. If a program is set to 
autostart, make this obvious by putting a tiny emblem of some sort in its menu 
entry.
  
  2) Add a new (sucks, I know) entry to the system->settings menu called
  "Autostart" or something. In there, present the list of stuff that's in
  the gnome menu and put a checkbox next to each entry to make it start
  automatically.
  
  3) Keep the tab in the gnome-session-preferences, and replace the
  current "Add" dialog with a widget that allows you to select a program
  from the gnome menu and hide the "Add" dialog under some sort of
  "Advanced" thing.
+ 
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+ See also proposal by MPT: 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Proposals/LoginItems

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Adolfo Jayme]

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Chris Wilson]

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

I evaluated what Windows and Mac do, compared design possibilities, and
made a recommendation to extend the "User Accounts" panel of Systems
Settings.


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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Timothy Arceri]

Adding to Unity in my opinion is a bad idea, its very rare to add/remove
programs to/from startup there is no need to clutter up Unity with this.
Improving the existing startup application editor is where improvements
should be made. I may look into this again when I have some free time,
the problem is that the GtkAppChooserWidget cannot be used directly as
its made for opening an application for a certain file typ, a custom
widget needs to be written to display all known applications/possibly
with a search option.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[papukaija]

Unfortunately no one is working for this bug as this bug is still in
triaged status. Someone working on it will set it to 'in progress'.
Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status for more information on
bug statuses. Thanks.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[bojo42]

Any news here?

As Tomas rightly noted it's even more complicated in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
than it was back in lucid, as you can't drag from the launcher and
dragging from the dash is more tricky because you have to findle with
the window position.

Colan's idea about right click "autostart" in the Unity launcher seems
quite good!

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[TomasHnyk]

It is possible do drag and drop from the dash - but the user does not
know about is, hence bug 896631

It should be possible to drag from the launcher as well, hence bug
897323

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Colan Schwartz]

I'm not sure about Gnome 3, but in the Unity launcher, when you right-
click on an application, you get a binary option (checked or not) "Keep
in launcher".  If there were another option added to this list called
something like "Autostart" or "Open on start-up", it would be fantastic.
Checking it would stick it in the start-up list (making it editable by
power users), and unchecking it would remove the entry (or possibly just
disable it).

Gnome 3 probably works similarly, but I haven't played with it yet.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Timothy Arceri]

1) From the original report I think is not valid as there is a list of
startup application displayed in "Startup Applications" itself. I think
there is no need to display in other menus that an application is run at
startup as its not part of that menus context.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Timothy Arceri]

Thats correct.

As I see it there is two parts to this bug.

1. Make the Autostart application easier to find. This is done in Oneric
as it is now in the dropdown menu used to logout, shutdown etc.

2. Make it easier to actually add an application. This is where the open
with dialog comes in. This should not replace the 'command' as command
line applications still need to be able to be easily set, but maybe the
browse button could cause the open with dialog to pop up.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Duncan Lithgow]

The discussions about how the 'open with' system works is interesting
and important but I can't see what it has to do with this bug.

Remember this bug is about making it easier and more discoverable to add
applications to the list run at login.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Duncan Lithgow]

Okay, I've read upstrema and can now see what you're getting at. Using
the 'open with' API as a way to select application for adding to the
list - did I get that right?

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Timothy Arceri]

The open with API is accessible in GTK 3

See: http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.0/GtkAppChooser.html

and

http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.0/GtkAppChooserDialog.html

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Vish]

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Owais Lone]

I suggest at least two ways,

1) Same as above, use the open-with dialog.
1) Make it possible to drop an application icon onto the app and make it 
autostart. Dragging out would remove an app from auto-starting.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Vish]

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote on dup Bug #462404:

" Nautilus has an "Open With" dialog that lists all the applications it
knows about.

If that dialog is not a standard GTK widget, the first step is to make
it a standard GTK widget. (That way Thunderbird could use it for letting
you choose which application to open an attachment with, for example, in
the same way that it uses the native GTK print dialog.)

Then, gnome-session-properties can use the same dialog for letting you
choose a startup application. "

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Mechanical snail]

I suggest we simply use the same widget as the application list under
"Show list of known applications" on the Run dialog.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Lightbreeze]

Bug #382280  has been made a duplicate of this bug. "Startup
Applications" does not include more than about 17 items - namely some
daemons, applets and processes started by Ubuntu in a default install.

Bug #382280 shows that the 'Add' button in "Startup Applications" is
next to unusable, and so the underlying problem of adding new launchers,
reported in this bug, still stands.

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Soren Hansen]

It seems the "Startup Applications Preferences" thing implements option
no. 2 exactly, so I think the Ubuntu bug can be closed. However, I'm
reluctant to close it since the GNOME bug is still open. Pedro, do you
have any idea why that is the case?

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

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** Changed in: gnome-session
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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Pedro Villavicencio]

This bug has been reported to the developers of the software. You can
track it and make comments here:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478806

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[Bug 140918] Re: Adding stuff to autostart is too difficult

[Pedro Villavicencio]

Thanks for your report.

** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Low

** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
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