[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
I have just made a couple of tests, and the result is: 1: mate-terminal interprets correctly the --geometry over the both of Wayland and Xorg ** hence it was rigth when I derived "theoretically" from the behaviour of the Gnome Shell, that also over Wayland the client programs can position their windows! Now we see, that even the mate-terminal is capable to position it's window on the base of my --geometry requests 2: gnome-terminal misinterprets the --geometry over Xorg but does something (see below) 3: gnome-terminal ignores the --geometry over Wayland ** hence the gnome-terminal is the package which has serious difficulties to interpret the --geometry requests, ... in detail: If the bottom of "left screen" is higher than the bottom of the "right screen" and the top of the "left screen" is also higher than the top of the "right screen", and the left bar is hidden, then IN XORG: gnome-terminal --geometry=+0+0 is not at the left edge gnome-terminal --geometry=+0-0 is neither at the left edge, but even worse: the bottom of the terminal, --- where we work usually, --- is below the left screen gnome-terminal --geometry=-0+0 is also at a wrong location: the top of it is over the top of the right screen gnome-terminal --geometry=-0-0 this is the only case, where it is at the right position: in the lower right corner, bravo! BUG / 1: in case of Xorg, the gnome-terminal takes the smallest rectangle containing the two screens, subtractes the hidden left bar asif it was shown there, and regardles whether there is a proper physical screen at the corner in question, it puts the window there, even if the user can not see it. BUG / 2: in case of Wayland, the gnome-terminal ignores the --geometry=-0+0 alike requests, while mate-terminal demonstrates, that all of these kind of requests can be correctly satisfied, even in spite of the urban legend, that it is imposibble over Wayland. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion => Confirmed ** Changed in: mutter (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
OK, if you think that Wayland is responsible for the but, then: 1: this but must be upstreamed to the developers of the Wayland protocol 2: and this bug is also a bug of the "21.04 release as a whole", since it is a bug that it makes this buggy Wayland as default. I understand that this bug reporting system is package oriented, ... ok, then the base package of "21.04 release as a whole" which defines what packages belong to the release and what are the default settings HAS this bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
"Although dragging could be done by relative movements. Setting an absolute position does appear to be impossible in Wayland." If it was really impossibble, then how the Gnome shell or any window manager can position *itself*? We see, that the diverse components of the diverse window managers does not float around in an uncontrolled way, but *somehow* they are able to tell to Wayland where to position that components. The gnome-terminal should be able to do the same, either directly ask Wayland, or indirectly ask the window manager, in return of the --geometry argument. Hence it is confirmed, that the problem in question is 1: either a severe bug of the windows manager itself 2: or a severe bug of the applications receiving the --geometry arguments. I am extremly upset of keeping this bug report on the level of "opinion". There are so uncomfortable problems around the terminal windowing since 21.04, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1925823 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1928317 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1916890 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1888098 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1288655 or the too thick capture bar of a terminal wastes the vertical space that I seriousely consieder to change to other distro. My work depends heavily on the comfort of character terminals I became used to in the late 80's, and since 21.04 the level of comfort reached a treshold of pain. And now, I can not achieve that this serious bug is taken seriously. This bug crosses the basics of the windowing standars hold already for decades. Perhaps one of the iconic feature of a windowing system is that an application can position the other windows. This was possibble already in the mid 80's! I simply do not understand what is going here around the Wayland, while on the other hand it seems to be a very promising progress in the technology of the windowing system. But why it is a so big issue to position a window by an other application? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
The definition of "confirmed" is that "Verified by someone other than the reporter.", hence in case of "gnome-terminal" it was wrong to remove the "confirmed" tag, since someone other than me reported as well that the "gnome-terminal" is affected, and hence it is totally right, that the "gnome-terminal" is non the list named "Affects" with the status of "Confirmed". No one told, that "gnome-terminal" is mainly responsible for the bug, but the title of the list is *not* "The responsible packages", *but* "Affects". And it is "Confirmed" that "gnome-terminal" is "Affected". Henc I ask someone else, especially who removed it, to put back the "Confirmed" status. Since the "opinion" or "invalid" vould be missleading, and simply the opposite of the real truth. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
The bug is clearly stated, reproducible and confirmed by others as well. Hence it can not be ONLY "invalid + opinion + opinion" at 3 packages, and no package is mentioned with "new" or "confirmed". It is acceptable, if someone's opinion is that "mutter is not new but opinion only". But it is not acceptable, if the same person does not mark any other package or the Ubuntu as a whole as "new" or "confirmed", --- since if all the packages mentioned already becomes either "invalid" or "opinion", then the bug report is rejected in fact, what would be a wrong decision since the bug is there confiredly. In fact, if wayland protocol is not advanced enough to provide the original standard facility to handle the positioning of windows, then ALL the packages that wish to use this original standard instead of the new facilities, all of them have the bug, because it is a buggy behaviour to rely on something what is not offerd by the underlying wayland. Therefore the releases 21.04 as a whole has this bug: makes something defuault what brakes the all the packages which wish to position the main window of it's own applications. A disturbing exampe: $ wmctrl -d Cannot get current desktop properties. (_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP or _WIN_WORKSPACE property) $ wmctrl -l $ wmctrl -d does not "List all desktops managed by the window manager." wmctrl -l does not "List the windows being managed by the window manager." While the same "wmctrl" packages works fine with Xorg. However the "wmctrl" can not be added to the affected packages, since the bugs.launchpad does not accept "wmctrl" as an existing package! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
** Changed in: mutter (Ubuntu) Status: New => Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
A very personal comment: the main reason why I use linux exclusively since 1994 is that I can work in character terminal using the unix command line programming environment for my everyday goals (teaching and researching math and computational math). This is the reason why I am so sensitive for the missing positioning of my terminals, since I frequently invoke and kill terminals, depending on the actual needs, I have never abandoned windows waiting for nothing. Sorry for this very personal comment, but I wanted to explain why I wish not to consider "invalid" ... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
Sorry to oppose the opinion of those who probaly know the system much better than me, but it is simply NOT TRUE that neither Ubuntu nor especially Mutter is responsible for the huge step backward, the missing positioning of windows on the screen what was always possible since the 80's. AND it is neither true, that USING Wayland becomes impossible to handle the positioning. Wayland side: now I am in Mutter over Wayland w/o Xorg, and the top bar on the screen is NOT appearing randomly depending on the situation, but it is always aligned on the top of the actual screen, and it never extends to the other screen. HENCE the location of top, the location of top-left corner and the location of the top-right corner CAN BE handled, --- and I need exactly that: gnome-terminal --geometry=+0+0 == I wish a terminal into the top-left corner gnome-terminal --geometry=-0+0 == I wish a terminal into the top-right corner Ubuntu side: it is not Wayland but Ubuntu who made DEFAULT this Wayland w/o Xorg any warnings at the login screen, and even the fact that "the current login will fall into Wayladn w/o Xorg OR there will be Xorg services" IS HIDDEN, NOT SHOWN rigth where the account name and the password is due. HENCE Ubuntu as a strategic decider IS involved in the case. Mutter side: it is not true that Mutter is not capable to handle the positioning w/o Xorg, there are PLENTY evidences and indications, that Muter DOES EXACLTY KNOW where the edges of my two physical screens are. HENCE in spite of the backward downgrading of the Wayland protocol, Mutter is NOT behindered in knowing the rectangles of my two physical creens. Therefore Mutter IS also responsible, that the positioning of a gnome- terminal dos not work any longer if the default of Ubuntu is Wayland w/o Xorg. Sorry, I understand, that I could invoke the Xorg services which are now considered obsolote by Ubuntu, ... ... but I use computers since 1972, I was an active adult in parallel with the development of computer systems. HENCE my experience, that better not to deviate from the defaults, otherwise I will have more trubles, than to stand out somehow the defaults. That is why so interesting for me, that the traditional standard positionings of windows should work even over raw Wayland w/o Xorg services. This is the derivation, why I think that it is proven that the categorisation of "invalid" is wrong. Since I am the first reporter, therefore I can not switch this "invalid" back to the previous "confirmed", henc my only possibility now to change it back to "new", SORRY for that, but the "invalid" is not true, and it would behinder the handling of the problem if I leve it "invalid". I changed only at "mutter", since the gnome-terminal looks forwarding the positioning requests. Hence I have choosed "opinion" for the terminal, since there is no better choice for the situation, that the proper use of the gnome- terminals are behindered, actually that was the reason why we descovered the problem around Wayland and the default decison of Ubuntu, but the gnome-terminal looks not responsible for it's insufficient behaviour in the daily use. ** Changed in: mutter (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Fedora) Status: Unknown => Invalid ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Fedora) Importance: Unknown => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
Although dragging could be done by relative movements. Setting an absolute position does appear to be impossible in Wayland. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314967 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1104827/how-can-i-get-the-geometry-option-working-with-the-gnome-terminal-command-in-a-t ** Also affects: gnome-terminal (Fedora) via https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314967 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid ** Changed in: mutter (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1925732] Re: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal
On second thoughts, client-side decoration means that Wayland apps do in a way set their own position when being dragged. So maybe there is a solution. ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Confirmed ** Changed in: mutter (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Confirmed ** Bug watch added: Red Hat Bugzilla #1314967 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314967 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to mutter in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1925732 Title: [wayland] gnome window manager ignores the --geometry location request of the gnome-terminal To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1925732/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
