[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

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On 2009-06-19T20:00:10+00:00 Olivier wrote:

Farsight2 0.0.12 no longer depends on gst-plugins-farsight (which you
can prune from you distro along with farsight1).

But it needs gst-plugins-bad 0.0.12

The same applies to 0.0.9 in Fedora 11 (so please push out an update
there, otherwise Empathy calling is just broken).

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On 2009-06-19T20:13:57+00:00 Olivier wrote:

Also, did I mention that the rpmfusion gst-p-bad package doesn't work
because the farsight plugins are disabled (becaues they conflict with
the outdated version of gst-p-farsight in F11)

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On 2009-06-19T23:18:47+00:00 Brian wrote:

(In reply to comment #0)
> Farsight2 0.0.12 no longer depends on gst-plugins-farsight (which you can 
> prune
> from you distro along with farsight1).
> 
> But it needs gst-plugins-bad 0.0.12

If that is a hard dependency on gst-plugins-bad, that means farsight 2
will need to be removed from Fedora and moved to rpmfusion.

It would probably be helpful if the configure.ac was updated to check
for the necessary plugins are available for farsight2 to work correctly.

> The same applies to 0.0.9 in Fedora 11 (so please push out an update there,
> otherwise Empathy calling is just broken).

Ditto here if the gst-plugins-bad is a hard dependency, it will need to
be removed from F11.

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On 2009-06-19T23:26:07+00:00 Brian wrote:

(In reply to comment #2)
> (In reply to comment #0)
> > Farsight2 0.0.12 no longer depends on gst-plugins-farsight (which you can 
> > prune
> > from you distro along with farsight1).
> > 
> > But it needs gst-plugins-bad 0.0.12
> 
> If that is a hard dependency on gst-plugins-bad, that means farsight 2 will
> need to be removed from Fedora and moved to rpmfusion.
> 
> It would probably be helpful if the configure.ac was updated to check for the
> necessary plugins are available for farsight2 to work correctly.

And going a little further, if this is a hard dep on gst-plugins-bad
empathy will also be removed since it depends tp-farsight (which in turn
depends on farsight2).  Not good.

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On 2009-06-19T23:40:13+00:00 Bastien wrote:

What plugins are needed specifically?

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On 2009-06-19T23:58:41+00:00 Olivier wrote:

You need rtpmanager, valve, rtpmux, autoconvert, liveadder, dtmf.

For the upcoming msnwebcam, you also need mimic.. but that one probably
needs to go on rpmfusion.

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On 2009-06-20T22:44:49+00:00 Olivier wrote:

Btw, this will show up as a crash in empathy because of a bug in the
libtelepathy-farsight 0.0.6 GError handling code. So I'm adding the
gnome bug as a dep.

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On 2009-06-20T23:25:12+00:00 Bastien wrote:

Other question, does Empathy support the missing-plugins GStreamer
framework to install missing plugins, should they be needed?

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On 2009-06-20T23:45:50+00:00 Olivier wrote:

No it doesn't. I plan to support it in farsight2 at some point for the
codecs (lets say to install h.263 or h.264 codecs). But it's not going
to happen for the basic elements. I doubt totem uses missing plugins if
playbin is not installed.

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On 2009-06-21T01:09:25+00:00 Bastien wrote:

(In reply to comment #8)
> No it doesn't. 

[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-15 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: gupnp-igd (Ubuntu Karmic)
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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-14 Thread Ken VanDine
File a new bug against the empathy package and we will mark it as
wishlist.  I would really like to enable it and I suspect there will be
enough stuff needing clutter for karmic+1 that it won't be an issue.

It would be nice of some things like this could be an optional dep for
empathy, like a plugin architecture.  So it doesn't require uses get
empathy from a ppa, just install the right plugin package to enable the
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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-14 Thread Brian Curtis
Kevin,

I mentioned this to some people before, but I don't have the skills
myself to write something like this, and I think it would benefit the
CD size too.

Just like using the music/video programs will tell you that you need a
codec and it will download it for you.  I imagine doing something like
this for the telepathy connection managers (butterfly,haze,idle,
etc..) would take space off of the CD for other more important things.
 Maybe also resolve bugs in which someones CM isn't installed by
default with empathy.

Workflow:
-user installs empathy or creates new account
-code recognizes that user doesn't have telepathy-* and asks the user
to download applicable ones.
-upon removal of account package manager recognizes it's not used
anymore and upon next autoremove will delete the package.

~Brian

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 File a new bug against the empathy package and we will mark it as
 wishlist.  I would really like to enable it and I suspect there will be
 enough stuff needing clutter for karmic+1 that it won't be an issue.

 It would be nice of some things like this could be an optional dep for
 empathy, like a plugin architecture.  So it doesn't require uses get
 empathy from a ppa, just install the right plugin package to enable the
 feature.

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Martin Pitt
** Also affects: gssdp (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: gupnp (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Martin Pitt
gupnp-igd fixed to run test suite on build, approved.

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Martin Pitt
gupnp approved and promoted (together with gssdp and gupnp-igd). Same
test program situation as with gssdp.

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** Changed in: gssdp (Ubuntu Karmic)
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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Martin Pitt
gssdp approved. Package has test programs, but they can't be run
automatically and noninteractively, and require network, so they aren't
suitable to run at build time.

** Changed in: gssdp (Ubuntu Karmic)
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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Brian Curtis
Would it be too hard to get geoloc so it can be supported in Ubuntu?

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 gupnp approved and promoted (together with gssdp and gupnp-igd). Same
 test program situation as with gssdp.

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       Status: New = Fix Released

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Ken VanDine
Not hard, but we aren't ready for that.  Enabling geoclue in empathy
will drag clutter onto the CD.  Perhaps for karmic+1

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Danny Piccirillo
that's quite disappointing for people who want to use geoclue and will
actively use the PPA to get it because most of our buddies won't have it
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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-12 Thread Brian Curtis
Ok Kevin, Thats fine.  Is there a place I can list to make sure
geoclue gets added to empathy for Karmic+1?

New bug?

~Brian

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 Not hard, but we aren't ready for that.  Enabling geoclue in empathy
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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-11 Thread Ken VanDine
** Changed in: gupnp-igd (Ubuntu Karmic)
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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-11 Thread Ken VanDine
MIR wiki page for gupnp-igd is at:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReport/Gupnpigd

** Changed in: gupnp-igd (Ubuntu Karmic)
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** Changed in: gupnp-igd (Ubuntu Karmic)
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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Pitt
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportTelepathyButterfly approved.

** Changed in: telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu Karmic)
   Status: Incomplete = Fix Committed

** Changed in: gstreamer
   Importance: Unknown = Undecided

** Changed in: gstreamer
   Status: Confirmed = New

** Changed in: gstreamer
 Remote watch: GNOME Bug Tracker #587219 = None

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Pitt
Closing gstreamer upstream task for this MIR bug

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Pitt
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPythonPapyon approved and
promoted

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Pitt
telepathy-butterfly approved and promoted.

I'll upload empathy with the recommends re-added now.

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Great! :)

What the status of gupnp-igd for main inclusion?

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/empathy/ubuntu

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/karmic/empathy

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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Pitt
Laurent Bigonville [2009-09-10 14:13 -]:
 What the status of gupnp-igd for main inclusion?

Ken said he'd talk to upstream today to figure out how this works. He
tried a local build, with the result that this only serves to make it
fail faster. Still on the radar, though.

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-09-04 Thread Loïc Minier
No remaining active MIRs, I'm unsubscribing ~ubuntu-mir from the bug;
please subscribe us again if there's something new to look at.  Thanks!

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-31 Thread Laurent Bigonville
tp-mc-5 will be needed for the 2.28 release so it must be in main.

OTOH libtelepathy and telepathy-mission-control are not needed anymore
and may be demoted to universe

** Also affects: telepathy-mission-control-5 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: telepathy-mission-control-5 (Ubuntu Karmic)
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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Pitt
t-m-c-5 approved and promoted, it's just a newer version of t-m-c. I
demoted t-m-c and libtelepathy. Thanks!

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-31 Thread Ken VanDine
Looks like we need to keep purple and telepathy-haze for yahoo access.

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-31 Thread Brian Curtis
Laurent/Martin/Ken

I have found that a lot of people are disappointed that telepathy-idle
is not installed by default when they try to move their IRC account from
pidgin to empathy.  I was thinking, something that may (or may not) work
for saving space on the LiveCD and stop users from complaining that
their spec isn't available by default would be to have empathy install
the connection managers (idle, butterfly, haze, etc...) upon request
when the user tries to create these accounts.  I assume the user will
have to have an internet connection when wanting to use empathy, so its
just the means of installing the small packages to get the connection
managers working.

Workflow would be:
-hi thank you for installing empathy, would you like to import accounts from 
pidgin?
-because you are trying to install (AIM,IRC,MSN) we need to install the 
connection managers, please click next to continue with this operation
-Importing accounts, please wait...

It may also work to remove the connection managers if nobody is using an
account with them anymore.

Thoughts/Bashings/Comments?

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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-31 Thread Danny Piccirillo
excellent idea, just like our codec manager-- should be filed as a separate
bug i think

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wrote:

 Laurent/Martin/Ken

 I have found that a lot of people are disappointed that telepathy-idle
 is not installed by default when they try to move their IRC account from
 pidgin to empathy.  I was thinking, something that may (or may not) work
 for saving space on the LiveCD and stop users from complaining that
 their spec isn't available by default would be to have empathy install
 the connection managers (idle, butterfly, haze, etc...) upon request
 when the user tries to create these accounts.  I assume the user will
 have to have an internet connection when wanting to use empathy, so its
 just the means of installing the small packages to get the connection
 managers working.

 Workflow would be:
 -hi thank you for installing empathy, would you like to import accounts
 from pidgin?
 -because you are trying to install (AIM,IRC,MSN) we need to install the
 connection managers, please click next to continue with this operation
 -Importing accounts, please wait...

 It may also work to remove the connection managers if nobody is using an
 account with them anymore.

 Thoughts/Bashings/Comments?

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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-31 Thread Martin Pitt
Brian Curtis [2009-08-31 13:27 -]:
 Laurent/Martin/Ken
 
 I have found that a lot of people are disappointed that telepathy-idle
 is not installed by default when they try to move their IRC account from
 pidgin to empathy.

But it is now! :-)

It's actually curious that it doesn't work through -haze, I thought
libpurple had IRC support, too (at least the package description
claims that). But anyway, it's in ubuntu-desktop now for a few days.

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Re: [Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Ken VanDine [2009-08-26 21:02 -]:
 Can we drop haze from the CD if we do that?

Don't we need it for a plethora of other protocols? If none of them
are that important any more, it would be nice to drop, since it takes
quite a lot of space.

We just need to lower empathy's recommends to a suggests for that.

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-26 Thread Martin Pitt
Ken, Seb, so should we switch from purple to butterfly/papylon for MSN?

** Summary changed:

- Move Empathy Dependencies to Main and Update Desktop Seed
+ [MIR] empathy dependencies

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-26 Thread Ken VanDine
Based on our conversation with upstream at GCDS I would vote for
butterfly/papyon.  Can we drop haze from the CD if we do that?

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-26 Thread Devid Antonio Filoni
The next papyon release (that will be released in the next few days)
will add AFAIK support to one of the most requested MSN features:
audio/video call. So IMHO we should use butterfly. I will request a FF
exception, there are a lot of bug reports and brainstorm ideas asking
for that feature, I think we should provide it in karmic in order to
properly test it before karmic+1. I'm sorry if the release is not ready
before FF but AFAIK there are still few (very few) things to do before
releasing it.

Some (not all) links to show how many users want audio/video call support:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/164/
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/11685/
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/127861

Regression in papyon compared to pidgin:
 - no OIMs support (upstream is working in order to get it working, it is 
already supported by papyon)
 - no file transfer (like telepathy-haze), but upstream is working on it too

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[Bug 388898] Re: [MIR] empathy dependencies

2009-08-26 Thread Danny Piccirillo
people might complain a lot, but it might be worth it for the LTS

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