[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-11-08 Thread Constantine
Duplicate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-
daemon/+bug/885730

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-10-31 Thread Bob Bib
skliarie, I've reported that issue with 11.10 as bug #883698.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-10-25 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Recently upgraded 11.04 to 10.04. The user prefers to stay with gnome-classic 
instead of Unity.
The keyboard applet in gnome-classic does not show the current layout, just as 
described in the bug's description.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-10-25 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Sorry, in my previous post I meant upgraded 11.04 to 11.10. Pity the
comments can't be edited...

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-26 Thread Peter Belew
At any rate, this appears to be fixed in Lucid, Karmic, and the current
Natty alpha version. I can see the various USA keyboard versions
indicated, like USA, USA1 USA2 etc.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-25 Thread booxter
I don't need all these indicator-applets icons like
mail/empathy/gwibber, bluetooth, and volume stuff. (I don't used
Evolution because it sucks, empathy has simple notification icon, I
don't use social networks crap, I don't use bluetooth devices, and
gnome-volume-applet 'just works'). If you don't want us to use standard
well-known g-s-d keyboard applet, could you please provide us with a
solution on how to remove all these unneeded icons from the panel?

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-25 Thread Oded Arbel
Booxter: this issue is not about the indicator applet, so I suggest you
file a different bug on that (though I believe there already is one).
That being said - simple tip: If you don't like the indicator applet,
just remove it.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-25 Thread Peter Belew
I don't particularly like the concept of the indicator applet OR the
notification area - similar concepts, lumping together several
applets; I'd rather just add these things individually and arrange them
individually.

BUT: this bug is about the keyboard indicator specifically, which has
lost a capability which existed in previous versions and is useful and
even essential to a number of people doing multilingual work. It works
fine in Lucid and Maverick, and I make use of it frequently.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-01 Thread Peter Belew
This problem has popped up over and over again with almost every Ubuntu
release. It largely affects people who deal with a number of languages
using the Latin character set, but are used to the US keyboard. I think
there may be other variant keyboards for which subscripts would be
useful, but I'm not sure. This is a convention adopted in MS-Windows
many years ago.

BTW I created the first US-International keyboard layout for MS-Windows
in 1987, and it soon needed to be expanded. It's pretty hard to devise a
layout of that sort to handle ALL the European languages without making
its use very cumbersome - that's why there are 3 or 4 variants other
than the standard US keyboard. It's necessary for the user to know which
one has been selected. The trick of enabling a popup showing the layout
by right-clicking on the icon works, but it takes up screen space, which
for example is limited in the first place on a netbook.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-02-01 Thread Oded Arbel
Showing the selected keyboard layout with a popup is a serious usability
regression from the previous behavior - instead of simply looking up to
verify that you switched to the correct layout, you'd have to move your
mouse over to a small area (and not even in a corner so Fitt's law does
not apply); and worse - you'd have to click the small target?

That basically means that the operation of changing the layout and
verifying that it is what you want - that multi-lingual people do many
times in the course of writing a single document - goes from about 0.5 a
second to 15 or even 20 seconds!

Note: all this is fine, and you know what - its even fine for Ubuntu
developers to ignore it (it is open source after all, I'm sure they'll
apply a patch I send to fix this), but the thing is - as it is
documented on several other gnome-settings-daemon bugs - the keyboard
layout indicator support isn't working either!

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-01-23 Thread Oded Arbel
Ping for developers - this is still a problem in Natty.

I understand that Ubuntu may not be interested in supporting non-
indicator behavior, but the problem is caused by the indicator support
patch developed by Ubuntu developers and it seriously hurts multi-
language Ubuntu users that choose to stop using the default indicator
applet - so I think the people causing the problem have a moral
obligation to make sure their changes do not cause regressions with
existing uses.

As a further note - the GNOME decision not to include the indicator
support patch in their upstream simply on the basis that GNOME does not
ship the indicator applet is arrogant and annoying, but even otherwise
they would have probably not accepted the patch anyway if it causes
regressions. If Ubuntu developers have any hope of ever pushing the
patch upstream they should fix this issue.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2011-01-09 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon
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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-12-07 Thread Zubrania
have the applet missing

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-11-08 Thread Swizzl
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Jan Arne Petersen (jpetersen) = Swizzl (c-root-r-mail-ru)

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
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Re: [Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-09 Thread Joe_Bishop
 which is just about the gnome-settings-daemon applet not working properly.
They say it's ubuntu problem

2010/10/9 Oded Arbel o...@geek.co.il

 I've opened GNOME bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631694
 which is just about the gnome-settings-daemon applet not working
 properly.

 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #631694
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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-08 Thread Oded Arbel
Rich: obviously you are correct. I was simply noting the exact technical
nature of the issue so the developers will have a good understanding of
how to fix this.

One more piece of technical information though: When using GNOME shell
instead of metacity, the panel apparently uses the gnome-settings applet
so under that the keyboard layout indicator always does not indicate
layout, and there is no work around for that as the Ubuntu application
indicator does not work under GNOME shell.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-08 Thread Oded Arbel
I've opened GNOME bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631694
which is just about the gnome-settings-daemon applet not working
properly.

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #631694
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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-04 Thread Oded Arbel
Rich: the problem is that the gnome-settings-daemon shows a keyboard
indicator applet on the panel when the Ubuntu-specific indicator
applet isn't shown.

As I've noted in comment #21, The gnome-settings-daemon keyboard
indicator does not indicate the layout - it just shows a keyboard icon
and you actually have to open it to figure out what layout is being
used. The Ubuntu specific indicator applet that uses a menu system to
show icons for activities (*) works correctly, but this bug report is
not about the indicator applet, its about the gnome-settings-daemon
keyboard applet.

(*) which is a weird distinction - I understand how copying files is an
activity and possibly how being connected to the network in activity,
but I don't see how having a volume control or a keyboard layout control
is an activity.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-04 Thread Rich Wales
From the perspective of a naive (or not-so-naive) Ubuntu user who is
probably not aware of exactly which software component is doing which
keyboard layout-related task, all they will notice is that the indicator
icon breaks when they upgrade to Maverick.

If there is some reason why the Lucid indicator applet can't be
transparently upgraded and must instead be reinstalled in Maverick, this
needs to be clearly documented (or, better, fixed).

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-03 Thread Rich Wales
Just on a wild guess, I launched Add to Panel and added the Indicator
Applet — and a US flag (corresponding to my currently active keyboard
layout) showed up in the panel along the top of the screen.

Although (re-)adding the indicator applet seems to have fixed the
problem, there is still the question of why the indicator applet became
broken in the first place.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-10-01 Thread Rich Wales
I installed a set of flag icons (us.png, etc.) in ~/.icons/flags, and I
enabled /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/indicator/showFlags in
gconf-editor, but this did no good — in fact, it made the static
keyboard icon go away entirely (replaced with a generic I can't find
any icon to display here placeholder).

I'm seeing this error in Maverick beta.  The layout indicator (including
using flags as described above) works perfectly for me in Lucid.  It's a
regression, not a wishlist item, since the layout indicator feature
worked previously but is now broken.

I don't know why the fix that was reportedly released didn't fix the
problem on my Maverick beta system, but it didn't.

aptitude show gnome-settings-daemon on my Maverick beta system reports
version 2.32.0-0ubuntu1.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-09-17 Thread Oded Arbel
The problem I have in comment #19 may not be the same problem as the bug
that was reported: with the session indicator applet, the keyboard
session indicator shows both the keyboard layout and the keyboard icon
(also bad, if you ask me, as it means it takes even more space in the
crowded panel).

The screenshot in comment #19 is the original standard keyboard
indicator that you see from gnome-settings-daemon when there is no
session indicator. That in Maverick shows only the keyboard icon.

The wishlist thing above is from the GNOME upstream bug that is about
getting gnome-settings-daemon to support the session indicator. It is a
wishlist, at least from GNOME's perspective (as no one other then Ubuntu
ships the session indicator).

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-09-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon
   Importance: Unknown = Wishlist

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-09-16 Thread Joe_Bishop
Wishlist? Are you stupid? This one is critical.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-09-05 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon
   Status: New = In Progress

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-08-21 Thread Oded Arbel
This is happening again in Maverick.

After the update yesterday the keyboard indicator started behaving again
like it was during Lucid beta. My system is setup with two keyboard
layouts, en-US and il-lyx, but from looking at the attached screenshot
you wouldn't know that.

** Attachment added: Screenshot showing the problem
   
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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-05 Thread Peter Belew
Karmic, up through any current updates, uses icons with numeric
subscripts indicating variants of the basic keyboards for a language.
Eliminating that feature (actually in a redesigned program) is a
definite regression.

By the way, I designed the original US-International layout for Windows
2.11 in 1987, for Olivetti and Microsoft. This was redesigned the next
year for Windows 3.0, with the advice of a Nokia engineer, to provide
Nordic language support. Visually indicating variant keyboard selections
has been an issue ever since. Recent XP versions use one icon or other
indicator to indicate the base language, and another to show variants,
when more than one variant is enabled.

Also XP provides a keyboard switching option something like control-
shift+number key to select various layouts, instead of toggling or
cycling through the enabled combinations. It's too easy otherwise to
enable the wrong keyboard, without the icon showing definitely which
layout is being used - this leads to confusion and typos.

There is a KDE keyboard indicator program, which I haven't tried - it
apparently has user-configurable icons. I don't know if that covers this
situation.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-05 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the new comment is bug #546240

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-05 Thread Peter Belew
Thank you, Sebastien, I just subscribed to bug #546240

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
I just subscribed to this bug because I just noticed the behavior in the
keyboard indicator - it no longer displays different icons for variants
of the same country layout, as for USA, USA1, USA2. This change must
have occurred in the past few weeks, as I have been using alternate US
layouts for different languages for many years. Typically I have the
basic USA layout and a couple of different alternate USA layouts,
switching to the basic one when I'm typing in English.

On some systems, you can set up the scroll lock LED to show alternate
layouts, but that's not of great use when there are 3 or more layouts
set up. Also, on my Dell netbook there is no scroll lock flag in the
hardware or software, so that doesn't work. And it has no LEDs, so I
would have to set up the Lock Keys Applet, which in fact doesn't show
the nonexistent scroll lock flag.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Belew
Note that I just observed this today, in the released Lucid, updated up
to today, both on systems which had been installed during the alpha and
beta stages and on one which was installed afresh on 3 May 2010.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-04-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon
   Status: Unknown = New

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-04-11 Thread Oded Arbel
Axx: you are correct - I tried that again with another login and it
worked as you said. There is apparently something wrong with my user
account that won't let me change the layouts available in the keyboard
indicator, but this is another bug (if its a but).

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-04-08 Thread axx
On an up to date version of Lucid Lynx beta I still have this problem.
I have a text description of my layout in the notification area, but it stays 
on Fra when I switch between different versions of the French layout (in my 
case azerty and bépo dvorak), rendering it useless as looking at the indicator 
won't tell me layout the keyboard is in.

If I add another language layout (say USA) then the indicatior does
switch between one language and the other, going from Fra to USA, but
still fails to go from Fra to Fra2 to USA.

On a side note, on-hover bubble info shows the proper info about the
layout.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-04-08 Thread Oded Arbel
aax: I'd like to note that the keyboard indicator have never indicated
the different between two different variants of the same layout.

Worse - the behavior you describe is an improvement over Karmic , as in
Karmic if I set up my keyboard preferences to have both Israeli Lyx
and Israeli Phonetic enabled then the keyboard indicator only allows
me to switch between USA and Isr - there is no third option.

That being said, your above comment is very important as when the
keyboard indicator would eventually migrate to the indicator applet (I
assume that this is the general idea) then your point can be taken into
account - not only should the keyboard indicator indicate the language
of the layout, it should also indicate the variant.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-04-08 Thread axx
I'm sorry Oded but I disagree, I've been using the keyboard indicator applet 
for quite some time prior to moving to Lucid beta, and I had Fra when on my 
default French setting and Fra² when on my other French setting.
I agree the indicator didn't say Fra (alternative) and Fra (bepo), but it 
did give me an indication of the fact that separate variants of the French 
keyboard were in use.

In Karmic, and Jaunty etc. before that, clicking on the applet switched from 
Fra to Fra² and then to USA if I had a third layout installed.
I'm 99% sure about this.
I even had a bug every now and then back then where the switching pattern use 
to become Fra  Fra²  ??  ??²  Fra  …
So it would circulate through all the available layouts regardless of language.

But anyway, I think we all agree that the indicator needs to tell us
about what actual layout is in use, and not just what language the
layout is designed for.

And if, from what I gather, the indication was supposed to be done
graphically (via a country flag I suppose), there should be an option to
have the basic Fra or USA letters, and not a flag. Not all of us want to
see a brightly coloured item in our gnome panels. :)

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-29 Thread Jorge O. Castro
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #610867
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610867

** Also affects: gnome-settings-daemon via
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610867
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thank you for your bug report, not sure if that's a bug or a design
decision, is it useful to show the active layout it should be easy to
notice what layout is being used while typing

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Nikola Yanev
confirmed here too.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Dmitry Agafonov
Affects me too - no current layout displayed.
...keyboard.indicator.showFlags do not work either.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Jan could you have a look at this? Does the indicator-application api
limit to icons use?

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Pitt
This is a regression, not a wishlist item. It makes the indicator pretty
useless when using key combos to change the layout, or to merely see
what the current layout _is_.

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Wishlist = Medium

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.04-beta-1

** Tags added: indicator-application regression-potential

** Also affects: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Importance: Medium
 Assignee: Jan Arne Petersen (jpetersen)
   Status: Triaged

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Jan Arne Petersen
We need bug 522153 in indicator-application implemented for that.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Jan,

As discussed in IRC let's just revert this portion of g-s-d back since
it's a regression.

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Jan Arne Petersen

** Patch added: Updated g-s-d patch. Reverted keyboard indicator for now
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40097150/531173.patch

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[Bug 531173] Re: New Lucid keyboard layout indicator does not indicate current layout

2010-03-03 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-settings-daemon -
2.29.91.1-0ubuntu4

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gnome-settings-daemon (2.29.91.1-0ubuntu4) lucid; urgency=low

  * debian/patches/06_use_application_indicator.patch:
- update by Jan Arne Petersen to undo the keyboard indicator change since
  the current indicator-application doesn't allow to use a label, which
  would be required to indicate the selected keyboard layout
  (lp: #531173, #531290, #531296)
  * debian/patches/90_autoreconf.patch:
- refreshed for the previous change
 -- Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:39:12 +0100

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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