Button spacing of light theme too small.
The Close Minimize Maximize buttons are too close to each other. Aiming
for one and not miss click on another is difficult. The button spacing
on MacOS feels better. Also it may looks better too.
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I have no pain in my wrist anymore from constantly left-right moving the
cursor and 30miles left-right mouse path a year, now is shorten to 2
miles. With a launcher on the left and apps and folders search on the
fly, I do my job in 2 seconds. This is proven fact.
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Bhaavan Merchant
532...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Sorry, I didnt want to sound accusatory or anything. But for me, the
reason I switched to linux was the ability to customize it for me. This
Unity is taking more and more of it away from me.
That's a non
From android to mac osx, GNOME-shell... not a single one can be
customized, so why do you guys think that Ubuntu should be everything
for everybody?
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On 28 November 2011 09:12, Pako 532...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Spock do something, there is an intruder here!
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To all right buttons advocates
Lets say tomorrow Ubuntu officials decide to turn back the buttons to the right
and after tomorrow you realize that Fedora fits better to you, or just
reinstall all of your computers with Windows because your girlfriend said so
and you'll do that with such an
@Pako : you can't prove an opinion, which is what left vs right is.
@bhaavanmerchant : You should be able to change theme from the
appearance menu - no need for anything else. I typically install
Shiki-Color from the repo, then switch to that. The buttons will
instantly be back to normal.
@ Bhaavan Merchant (bhaavanmerchant)
on APEing the mac.
Yes, and the launcher on the right is copied from Next OS back in 80's
and Apple's design is borrowed from the Braun's electronic devices made
in 60's + the system is based (copied) on Unix and Otto motor + 90% of
the things you are enjoy
Sorry, I didnt want to sound accusatory or anything. But for me, the
reason I switched to linux was the ability to customize it for me. This
Unity is taking more and more of it away from me. From this 11.10
release of Ubuntu, to get my controls on my right, ill need to change
theme. For this, ill
Just forget it. Ubuntu Design want it this way so it's the greatest
thing ever. Maybe they'll change their minds later and return it to the
right, THEN that would be it's the greatest thing ever.
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The issue here is that most people in the world are right handed. For
right handed people, it is much more convenient to move mouse to top
right or bottom left. Thus this is where windows controls should be.
I personally feel that the move to shift the button to left was just
APEing the mac.
You are way late to the party here mate. :) With the Unity up and
running this change makes perfect sense. The close button is in the top
left corner of the screen and is very accessible. I was a skeptic, but
now I am converted.
Minor quible: it is not in the very corner but a few pixels off,
@ Maia and @ Tory , I believe there is a way from the Appearance
preferences dialog to move the buttons to the right, without having to
mess around with gconf or UbuntuTweak for that matter.
Once you are in the Theme tab, choose the Clearlooks theme. This will
move the buttons to the right since
@Nandan: that's a lot of explaination for something which could easily
be integrated into the Appearance preferences. Also, most users will
never discover that on their own.
Here is an easy way (though also not easy for users to find this - if
only it was included by default into Ubuntu...):
I see no reason to at least make the button placement configurable in
the UI.
As it stands, since it's only configurable via a hidden gconf setting,
people turn to applications like Ubuntu Tweak, with known security
issues, to change it. It would be nice to have a separate UI to
specifically
^^^ I'd say that is very reasonable. Considering that I unfortunately
work back and forth between windows and ubuntu, having the buttons on
the other side throws my muscle memory out of whack making me less
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@ willdye, and others
I strongly believe that default settings in general should do whatever
users are most likely to expect -- especially new users
I remember that the main problem about the layout was The new users
will complain and dislike the left side buttons. There are hundreds of
new
Pako wrote:
@ willdye, and others
I strongly believe that default settings in general should do whatever
users are most likely to expect -- especially new users
I remember that the main problem about the layout was The new users
will complain and dislike the left side buttons. There are
It's funny how Ubuntu got big by laying emphasis on the community and
now you are doing things like this one here.
The movement of the window buttons is just one of many reasons I'm
currently wiping out all Ubuntus and replacing them with Debian Squeeze
(which is, even if it is testing, much more
For months ago I was commenting here, predicting all the awful things
that would happen after upgrading computers in our organization to
10.04, and confronting people with left side buttons layout (look at my
comment #526: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-
much more stable, does regard the GNOME standard, doesn't have ads, IS a
democracy, plus the devs don't customize the UI to death).
where is ad in ubuntu?
On a laptop of a friend where Jaunty was installed she was prompted to
upgrade to Lucid. I was surprised to hear that. A dist upgrade
Ok, I was in the first two or five rounds of this discussion and I
have to say that at this point any further discussion is moot.
The real bug was that Mark and others did not consider the possibility
at people would hate the changed in the UI. And by hate, I mean,
running screaming in the street
I think it is important to consider not that I an others have gone back
to Karmic Ubuntu, or that we left initially due to the User Interface
issues pertaining to Lucid's (MacBuntu) feel, but rather the bigger
picture. The loss of trust in Canonical's ability to maintain
stability over time.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 13:23, Ubuntu-Me 532...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Rather then deal with Mark's mistakes directly, and I think I speak for
many, I can only say one thing.
( DEBIAN ! )
My problem with debian the last time I tried it is that I
On 23/07/10 13:18, Martin Wildam wrote:
In reality there should be more and better cooperation in the Linux
world between distributions. With actions like this - and now we get
back to the topic finally - the Ubuntu team is causing separation and
not uniting forces which would be so important
I can't say that I initially liked the buttons on the left... and it
irritated me that I couldn't move them back, however thanks to this
thread I know how to move them, and knowing that I can... I haven't...
I think that's a worthwhile lesson TBH, force a change and it will upset
people, but if
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 15:09, Mark Shuttleworth
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On 23/07/10 13:18, Martin Wildam wrote:
the Ubuntu team is causing separation and
not uniting forces which would be so important for the whole Linux
community.
I'd like to hear your justification for that
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 15:36, James Lewis 532...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
As for the previous poster suggesting that this is the reason to move to
another distribution... IMO, that's ridiculous... Ubuntu has clearly
made huge strides in the last few releases and 10.04 is no different...
I do
The difference between Debian and Ubuntu is that Ubuntu makes all the
choices for you, so that you don't have to think about them.
The choices made are made by people that know more about the system than
most of us do, so they are very likely are very good choices. However,
you might dislike
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 13:36 +, James Lewis wrote:
As for the previous poster suggesting that this is the reason to move
to
another distribution... IMO, that's ridiculous... Ubuntu has clearly
made huge strides in the last few releases and 10.04 is no
different...
if you don't like the
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Hi,
is there a way for an admin to change the buttons back to the right (for
all users of a system)? The suggested workaround only works for my own
account. If so, can you add it to the description, please?
Thanks in advance,
Stefan.
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While I have a lot of respect for the design team, I strongly believe
that default settings in general should do whatever users are most
likely to expect -- especially new users. By default, window controls
should be on the right, with an easy-to-find method available for moving
them to the left.
On 5/1/2010 11:58 PM, running_rabbit07 wrote:
It has been made very, very, very easy to select a different theme with
the buttons on the right.
My student users appear quite impressed with 10.04 LTS on the machines
where it is installed. So far, very few have changed the default
background.
Avetik Topchyan wrote:
IMHO, that has to be configured through GUI, like other settings, and not a
through a terminal command. Why make life harder than it should be?..
Ubuntu Tweak can be found, quickly, in the Software-Center. Life can
be so easy ... ;-)
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Avetik Topchyan wrote:
IMHO, that has to be configured through GUI, like other settings, and not a
through a terminal command. Why make life harder than it should be?..
Ubuntu Tweak can be found, quickly, in the Software-Center. Life can
be
Il giorno sab, 01/05/2010 alle 00.50 +, Avetik Topchyan ha scritto:
@soundpartner, firstly, thanks for the script!
My hope is that some bright mind would not suddenly decide
tomorrow to move these buttons to the bottom of the screen by default.
Eureka! what a great innovation would
On 30/04/10 18:33, Jonas Ådahl wrote:
Mark, are you planning on making an effort in adding easy way of
changing it, for example an option in the appearance dialog?
No, quite the reverse, we will make it possible for applications to use
the space on the right of the window title bar.
Mark
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...possible for applications to use the space on the right ...
Is this a part of a redesign upstream, or will it be Ubuntu specific?
Also, will it be compatible between window managers, or limited to Gnome
applications? Are there any other places concerning this such as mailing
lists, general
On 01/05/10 16:15, Jonas Ådahl wrote:
...possible for applications to use the space on the right ...
Is this a part of a redesign upstream,
We are upstream for the Ayatana indicators.
or will it be Ubuntu specific?
Depends on whether it is more broadly adoped.
Also, will it be
or will it be Ubuntu specific?
Depends on whether it is more broadly adoped.
But that's exactly the problem, Mark. What I thought makes difference in
Ubuntu is its openness. Instead you are just trying to go the same path
as the other guys with we know what's better for you, ignorant user.
It
Why are you prying for info? If you are interested in what is going on
with the right side of the window, then join the group Mark mentioned.
It has been made very, very, very easy to select a different theme with
the buttons on the right. I did a clean install of Lucid and all of my
downloaded
Ubuntu does it again. Screwing over its user-base over and over. And for a
LTS you get the Bad Choices Award.
*Change reverted as the first act*.
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On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:19, Jesper jes...@staunhansen.dk wrote:
Ubuntu does it again. Screwing over its user-base over and over. And for a
LTS you get the
Bad Choices Award.
There is a saying: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience
comes from bad judgement.
So there is hope that
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 09:39, Wildam Martin mwil...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the light new theme more than older themes. So it is
either not a complete thumbs down.
But anyway, although I like the new theme, from usability Clearlooks
is better. And this is an issue often designers have: They
Dear Ubuntu developers: please make it easy for users to switch
open/close/mimimize buttons whether right or left as they prefer. Not
all people enjoy it when you mess around with their habits. By providing
more choices you will win-win-win.
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I wanted to add to my previous comment: one of the things that bugged me
with Mac's interface is the left-side buttons.and their counter-
intuitive nature. Windows-style buttons are common, useful, make sense.
But I don't like Windows as OS, I would much rather use Linux based OS.
I like Ubuntu a
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Alexander Pas m...@dropdev.org wrote:
Dear Mark Shuttleworth, and everyone else thinking it was a good change
to place those buttons on the left side of the window.
Please go read a book on Interaction Design, for example: About Face 3,
ISBN 9780470084113
My motivation is straightforward: to make Ubuntu the most delightful
desktop I possibly can. As, I'm sure is yours. So, we're on the same
side, and I appreciate your thoughts and insights.
Mark
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Mark, are you planning on making an effort in adding easy way of
changing it, for example an option in the appearance dialog? My memory
tells me I've seen this kind of setting before, but was probably a long
time ago.
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In Germany the feedback about the new LTS is very very positve. Most of
the users, not Alpha- Beta-testers are surrprised about the fast, very
fast booting and exited about the new and modern Design. Only a low
percent in the forums etc. (~ 2-5%) is worry about the new Design or
about the position
Mark, are you confirming that the easy switch for these buttons will be
available on 10.4?
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@avetik 10.04 is already out. There is an easy way to switch described
in the bug description.
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It is available. I just did it and it works great. All is back to
normal.
On Apr 30, 2010 5:21 PM, Avetik Topchyan topch...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mark, are you confirming that the easy switch for these buttons will be
available on 10.4?
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--type string menu:minimize,maximize,close to fix the issue, however,
what about all of the themes (not the native ones in Ubuntu 10.04LTS)
and various 3rd party applications? Is Mark/Canonical sure that the
current button
IMHO, that has to be configured through GUI, like other settings, and
not a through a terminal command. Why make life harder than it should
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@pyramid themes wont break anything and they never ever will. Its a very simple
change.
@avetik im sure someone has made a small app that does it but id say there wont
be a GUI way made. Its only one small thing just alt+f2 and copy and paste the
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I'm not sure he can know. It seems like they will have to catch up. I
don't agree with how it was done but unfortunately it's done. All of the
apps I use look ok now that the buttons are back on the right and in the old
order.
On Apr 30, 2010 6:46 PM, Pyramid Technologies r...@roadie.net
@Shane Fagan: I disagree that this is not a big deal. This is about
user-friendly vs. difficult. I don't think that your positioning buttons
to left corner by default counts as innovation. Not providing users an
easy way to use it as they find fit is called making it hard on purpose.
From design
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Avetik Topchyan topch...@yahoo.com wrote:
@Shane Fagan: I disagree that this is not a big deal. This is about
user-friendly vs. difficult. I don't think that your positioning buttons
to left corner by default counts as innovation. Not providing users an
easy
Dylan, my point is that the right place for this tweak is not in
terminal, but through System - Preferences - Appearance. If that would
be tweakable from there there wouldn't be an issue. Agree?
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On my upgrade from 9.10 I was absolutely aghast to see the new position
for the window controls. I have read the justifications on the various
blogs and in the bug reports, and the only thing that I can really say
is what the were they thinking?!! This is, in my opinion, a very
serious
Mr Pyramid Technologies and others...
This is not a personal attack, but many of you have stated that you are leaving
ubuntu because og this button-placement. you are welcome to do so, and i am
looking forward to not seeing any more post from you in this bug-report. If you
are running Debian
@soundpartner, firstly, thanks for the script!
My hope is that some bright mind would not suddenly decide
tomorrow to move these buttons to the bottom of the screen by default.
Eureka! what a great innovation would that be! ;)
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If the pilot ejects themselves, that's not a bug,it's a feature.
There is unused space next to the switch for which you will be informed
sometime in the future of a maybe-feature that might happen. Nevermind
planes are crashing everywhere and we had to rebuild it on the day of
Dear Mark Shuttleworth, and everyone else thinking it was a good change
to place those buttons on the left side of the window.
Please go read a book on Interaction Design, for example: About Face 3,
ISBN 9780470084113
Now, After you have read that book, explain to me, why you want to have
the
scholli, I will quote a part of a post from respected computer
journalist:
Here's another quick observation - at risk of stirring the pot on the
controversy about this change. While working with the RC last night, I
realized that I had already pretty much gotten used to the window button
Il giorno dom, 25/04/2010 alle 14.04 +, scholli ha scritto:
I did updates since Beta1 and I don't have this feature what is shown in
the attached screenshot. But now I see that it exists and probably I
have to do a fresh install with the final release for get it working
finally. But seeing
instead of revert button, can you simply write right or left handed interface
(I suppose in this case the scrollbars are on the left .)
for right handed people try using left buttons with a touchscreen
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I say yes... and I see that always more and more peoples are agreed
with left.
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Only because the majority who say no has already expressed their view
and is tired of being ignored.
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:45 +, scholli scholli...@yahoo.de wrote:
I say yes... and I see that always more and more peoples are agreed
with left.
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why not leave the buttons where they were and put the new stuff that
Mark speaks of on the left instead!
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Because the bdfl pays the bills ;)
What mark says goes no matter what. Every single person in the community
could say no and if he says yes it happens.
I have resigned myself to memorizing the gconf command Everyone that
thinks they should stay on the right should do similar.
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There should be a button on Customize Theme - Window Border tab (left
from the Delete button) for switching buttons position left/right.
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Thx Bernhard, this was the case.
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Interesting, how often UI changes although already frozen...
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Per explicit request of Mark Shuttleworth: here is data on where my
mouse pointer rests: _near the right end of the line I am reading_ .
This is where it naturally goes (yeah, sometimes, when I'm tired, I do
read with my mouse pointer, like old people read with their finger).
This is also where it
A month late for adding data.
How does ubuntu's buttons break Debian?
@Martin- How do you get the UI has changed during the freeze when there
have been no updates released in more than 48 hours?
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I thought that UI freeze was already in the beginning of march - just
read, maybe that was not true. Then they shifted the buttons to the left
and then changed order again.
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Interesting, how often UI changes although already frozen...
- Martin Wildham
Interesting indeed.
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Using the latest beta(beta 2 and all updates i find installed on sight),
the order of the buttons is maximize, minimize, close. I this the order
its supposed to be?
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On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Danimoth danimothonl...@gmail.com wrote:
Using the latest beta(beta 2 and all updates i find installed on sight),
the order of the buttons is maximize, minimize, close. I this the order
its supposed to be?
Check
I completely understand the need to move the buttons to make space for a new
feature, however I do have two objections:
* It doesn't make sense to change them before this 'new feature' arrives,
especially on a LTS release
* It looks bad having the minimize button on the outside edge, we
Josh, the close button was moved to the far right on April 1st.
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@Bob Pendleton - I've been at this since 1978, so I can relate with
everything you've said, as I've had similar experiences.
I think Mark and company have enough data on what most users would like,
for it to be min,max,close on the right-hand side, and clearly this is
the majority of end-users.
@Pyramid Technologies,
I can agree with you on liking to see the buttons be easily movable. I
have moved them back and forth and changing their order and it appears
they have fixed the chopped look that once was an issue after moving
them.
It would be nice to see a button switcher that works
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=== Master Bug ===
(As per the design team's request)
All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug.
All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a
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=== Desire ===
Please centre the window title
Scholli: editing a system data file is _not_ a ideal solution, because
it changes will get overwritten any time that a new version of the
package ('light-themes') is supplied. Instead; supply a local setting
as detailed at the top of this bug report:
gconftool-2 --set
@Paul: Thanks for pointing that out and editing the description - It is
already a huge amount of reading work to go through all the comments.
In the morning under the shower I thought again of my proposal for
displaying the buttons just on hovering over the title bar. The only
disadvantage of
@ Paul Sladen:
Thank you for your professional correction.
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Why don't we use both styles(left and right)?
Example:
- moving mouse to the right corner = buttons switch from default position(e.g.
left) to the right side with the order: minimize,maximize,close
- moving mouse to the left corner = buttons stay in default position(e.g.
left):
@bt90: This is a really GREAT IDEA! - And the coolness factor could be
also given by displaying no buttons at all and only when you get near to
the title bar (let's say about twice the height of the title bar) they
are displayed left or right depending on which corner is nearer to your
mouse.
@ bt90:
No I think it isn't a good idea. At moment it would be cool, but if the
new feature (10.10) will be included we have a problem... you can't
reach the new feature-stuff. ,)
A button or a ratio-button for change the side is easier to realize and
would be a solution for everybody. For me
Why not just choose one of the following two solutions:
1) Add a radio button in gnome-appearance-properties (ad said by
scholli) with the following options:
Window button placement:
- use theme default
- always on the left
- always on the right
I one of the latter two options is chosen then the
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:51 +, Steven steve...@gmail.com wrote:
Why not just choose one of the following two solutions:
Because it has been stated that ubuntu is trying to be *less*
configurable (Linus might have been right all along)
And because, honestly, I think the move to patch button
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