[Bug 556933] Re: XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty
** Summary changed: - Update standard folders should add language links to folders, not rename them + XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty ** Description changed: Binary package hint: xdg-user-dirs + BUG (shortly): XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new + language if it isn't empty + + BUG (in details): This applies to all Ubuntu (Gnome) versions up to 10.04. Note: understand Bureau below as the name of any standard folder in any language. When a user changes the language of its profile she/he is asked a funny question in Desktop-1.png. Update standard folders to new language? He/she does not understand and he replies yes. From then on, obscure magic happens. Among other folders, ~/Desktop is renamed Bureau, but only if it is empty. Let's assume it's not. Then a new ~/Bureau is created beside. If the user drags New file (Desktop-2.png) a little bit, it disappears (Desktop-3.png). It will reappear after the next Login, at which time all the other Desktop objects disappear. Then she/he makes a screenshot and is told that a file she/he doesn't see does exist (Desktop-3.png). Nothing is lost, the user has 2 desktops, Desktop and Bureau, only now showing, hard to guess. The same applies for Documents, Music, etc... total confusion. If some program unaware of this game looks for Desktop, it won't find it. Etc... etc... Confusion looks like the comments of (different) Bug #209513. - + PROPOSED SOLUTION (but why not just fix this bug): This is obviously not the way it should work. This is NOT Windows. We can use symbolic links. Instead of renaming ~/Desktop, let's make a ~/Bureau - Desktop symbolic link. EVERYTHING will continue to be able to refer to Desktop unchanged. And the user interface (Desktop, Nautilus...) will happily refer to ~/Bureau all the same. It will contain the same data, because the same folder. The only setting needed is the name to use : Bureau, meaning ~/Bureau, redirected at will. It's best to create the aliasing without asking the user any question. There can be a setting for those really wanting to see the folders' names in any language they choose. If the user changes language again, it's best to leave ~/Bureau intact in case it's referred to somewhere. The BEST OF ALL is that it already works. Almost... Before xdg-user-dirs comes into play, make sure Desktop is not empty and create ~/Bureau - Desktop. xdg-user-dirs will not change that and the aliasing will work free of all those inconveniences. User experience. The above kludge has been used for a 6-language 10-users couple of Ubuntu 8.04 systems. Beside ~/ being crowded with aliases in 6 languages, the only inconvenience has been Picasa. They found 6 times the pictures they eagerly looked for. They will have to learn that scanning a filesystem must not follow aliases. - Repeat, this is NOT Windows ;-) -- XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556933 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to xdg-user-dirs in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 556933] Re: XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty
As you wish but then the renaming failure will _not be_ fixed because this bug becomes a feature request/wishlist. By consequence, the issue you are reporting is an upstream one and it would be nice if somebody having it could send the bug to the developers of the software by following the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME. If you have done so, please tell us the number of the upstream bug (or the link), so we can add a bugwatch that will inform us about its status. Thanks in advance. ** Description changed: Binary package hint: xdg-user-dirs - BUG (shortly): XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new - language if it isn't empty - - BUG (in details): This applies to all Ubuntu (Gnome) versions up to 10.04. Note: understand Bureau below as the name of any standard folder in any language. When a user changes the language of its profile she/he is asked a funny question in Desktop-1.png. Update standard folders to new language? He/she does not understand and he replies yes. From then on, obscure magic happens. Among other folders, ~/Desktop is renamed Bureau, but only if it is empty. Let's assume it's not. Then a new ~/Bureau is created beside. If the user drags New file (Desktop-2.png) a little bit, it disappears (Desktop-3.png). It will reappear after the next Login, at which time all the other Desktop objects disappear. Then she/he makes a screenshot and is told that a file she/he doesn't see does exist (Desktop-3.png). Nothing is lost, the user has 2 desktops, Desktop and Bureau, only now showing, hard to guess. The same applies for Documents, Music, etc... total confusion. If some program unaware of this game looks for Desktop, it won't find it. Etc... etc... Confusion looks like the comments of (different) Bug #209513. - PROPOSED SOLUTION (but why not just fix this bug): This is obviously not the way it should work. This is NOT Windows. We can use symbolic links. Instead of renaming ~/Desktop, let's make a ~/Bureau - Desktop symbolic link. EVERYTHING will continue to be able to refer to Desktop unchanged. And the user interface (Desktop, Nautilus...) will happily refer to ~/Bureau all the same. It will contain the same data, because the same folder. The only setting needed is the name to use : Bureau, meaning ~/Bureau, redirected at will. It's best to create the aliasing without asking the user any question. There can be a setting for those really wanting to see the folders' names in any language they choose. If the user changes language again, it's best to leave ~/Bureau intact in case it's referred to somewhere. The BEST OF ALL is that it already works. Almost... Before xdg-user-dirs comes into play, make sure Desktop is not empty and create ~/Bureau - Desktop. xdg-user-dirs will not change that and the aliasing will work free of all those inconveniences. User experience. The above kludge has been used for a 6-language 10-users couple of Ubuntu 8.04 systems. Beside ~/ being crowded with aliases in 6 languages, the only inconvenience has been Picasa. They found 6 times the pictures they eagerly looked for. They will have to learn that scanning a filesystem must not follow aliases. ** Summary changed: - XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty + Update standard folders should add language links to folders, not rename them ** Changed in: xdg-user-dirs (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = New ** Changed in: xdg-user-dirs (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete ** Tags added: wishlist -- Update standard folders should add language links to folders, not rename them https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556933 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to xdg-user-dirs in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 556933] Re: XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty
On 2010-08-22 21:09, papukaija wrote : ** Summary changed: - Update standard folders should add language links to folders, not rename them + XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty ** Description changed: Binary package hint: xdg-user-dirs + BUG (shortly): XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new + language if it isn't empty No. Your Summary, Description etc.. are incorrect. What I have written described the problem and solution very precisely. Please return this bug text to the initial state. -- XDG_DESKTOP_DIR (ex. ~/Desktop) isn't renamed to the new language if it isn't empty https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556933 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to xdg-user-dirs in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
