[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Benjamin Humphrey
A lot of terrible ideas come out of the Ubuntu camp, but this is one of
the worst.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Aethralis
Please, stop. This is idiocy at its worst.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Aethralis
Sorry for the previous and rude comment. I'm not usually resorting to
such kind of language but this really shocked me. Ubuntu is accused of
copying Apple too much as it is but this is bringing it too far. It
feels sad.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread rafal cieslak
I also disagree with the idea of adding this signature by default.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/642839

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Paul Sladen
Rafal: I've set that as a duplicate of this bug for the moment, to save
splitting the conversation.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Nicholas Christian Langkjær Ipsen
Please don't make this behavior default. PLEASE.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Nicholas Christian Langkjær Ipsen
http://lifehacker.com/5580178/the-worst-email-habits-and-annoyances-you-
should-avoid-or-at-least-be-aware-of

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Gavin Chappell
Sorry, no, I think this is a terrible idea.

Sent from my iPhone as above at least has some use in that it's a
sort-of implied apology for an otherwise rudely short, misspelt, jumble
of thoughts masquerading as a real email. However even this I find
annoying and offensive when compared to a manually set up This message
is sent from a mobile device and therefore may be brief (I know it's
wordy, but you only type it once). Sent from my iPhone to me just
reads Look, I've got a gadget and I'm arrogant enough to not apologise
for being rudely terse while I use it.

Sent from Ubuntu serves no purpose to the sender (they know they're
using Ubuntu) nor the recipient of the email (FOSS was all about choice,
I thought, including people's choice to use another OS) so I think it's
a absolutely horrible idea. You may argue that people haven't switched
to Ubuntu through lack of awareness, my counter argument to that would
be that there's already enough ways of publicising Ubuntu, without
hijacking new users PCs. Not least because if they installed it and
found this behaviour by default, then if they're new to Ubuntu and don't
know much about Ubuntu and Canonical, they may see this as Apple-style
arrogance (It's my computer, not theirs).

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread murrayy
You are really trying to make me feel ashamed of my operating system,
aren't you?

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Shane Fagan
I dont like the wording but still I can see why we should do it and its
the same reason why we now have the via ubuntu thing on twitter. Its
advertising and its something we really need to work on. Maybe dont say
sent from ubuntu say something a little bit less like you are copying
what they did on the iphone or similarly hotmail (they do it a lot worse
than the iphone because its an embedded advertisement about how much
space you can get on hotmail).

I dont have any suggestions on what to say instead but IMO the wording
should be changed or it should be removed because its just wrong at the
moment.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Chauncellor
Shane: This is bad advertising.

Go read an email from hotmail and notice the banners and adverts for
msn-related things.

This is the sort of nasty business that is getting shoved down these
poor people's throats.

The lifehacker article sums up very well the reason why this is
something that will make us ashamed if it makes final. This is the small
pebble.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Josh Brown
Please only reply to this bug report if you have useful information to
add, otherwise, post in the thread (+poll) on Ubuntu Forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1577753

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Rodrigo Donado
Don't add it by default.
Its more bits to be sent thought the Internet. And it really doesn't help at 
all.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread John King
I agree with Shane. I like to idea to some degree; but 'Sent from
Ubuntu' isn't quite the right wording. In fact maybe, this just simply
shouldn't be done by default. A lot of people here obviously see a
problem with it.

Something I've noticed lately is that there's not really a central
community advocacy front like SpreadFirefox. Yeah sure, there's
'SpreadUbuntu' (http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/), but it's not really
well known, or on a standard domain like www.spreadubuntu.com (that URL
currently redirects to www.ubuntu.com). Perhaps we need that. Then those
that wish to participate in advocacy of Ubuntu could go there, and maybe
then there'd be a blog or forum or something, and then things like
'Advertise Ubuntu in your e-mail sig!' are suggested for people to opt-
in *on an individual basis*. One immediate benefit I see is that you
might end up with many clever or at least unique sigs, likely to get
more attention than a hundred bland 'Sent From Ubuntu's.

Community advocacy in Ubuntu needs much more work to be honest; I'd much
rather see Canonical look more at what they could do to improve
community advocacy than force it on users that may not want it.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Akshat Jain
It might be great for and opt-in!

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Vincent Nys
Tacky, useless clutter. If anyone actually wants this, they can still
add a signature. Though you could manually remove it, too, default
behaviour should be you get what you write.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread raindogx
Please don't make this the default.  It is terribly tacky.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Max_E
This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. It's obnoxious,
tasteless, and totally out of character. I'm completely disgusted that
this wasn't rejected out of hand.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Jonathan Carter
How can Canonical do something this intrusive and rude without engaging
with the community at large or getting some wider input first? I realise
that Ubuntu is not a democracy and we don't vote on things, etc, but...
seriously?

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread cicoandcico
This reminds me Microsoft Hotmail accouts default signature. Bad idea,
guys.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Conscious User
@Shane:

Twitter is a completely different context. Mentioning the source of your
tweets is a well-known part of its interface and API.

I personally believe this signature can backfire badly. I don't think
it's possible to come up with a wording that does not sound obnoxious.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Shane Fagan
Yeah I didnt say that I liked the wording I was just saying if we are
going to do it we shouldnt say sent from ubuntu because thats just
crap and makes us sound desperate for new users.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Jesse King
This is not a bug. I do not want a default signature set in my email
client.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Sam Barrow

I agree that this shouldn't be added. Smells like advertising.
If someone wants to announce that they use Ubuntu at the bottom of their email, 
they can add it in about 5 seconds.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Luis Lopez
Worst. Idea. Ever.

You are going to be the MSN of the linux family.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Murrquan
I switched from Yahoo! to GMail as soon as I found out they don't append
ads to your messages.

My phone drives me nuts by auto-filling the message body with Sent from
my (carrier) (phone).

This bug report is epic fail, and any increase in mindshare we get is
going to come at the cost of usability and respect for our users.

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Re: [Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Matthew East
On 19 September 2010 17:59, Jonathan Carter jonat...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 How can Canonical do something this intrusive and rude without engaging
 with the community at large or getting some wider input first? I realise
 that Ubuntu is not a democracy and we don't vote on things, etc, but...
 seriously?

I agree. This was a change that could and should have been immediately
recognised as obviously controversial and warranting discussion in the
Ubuntu community before it was implemented.

Ubuntu is still (at least as far as I'm concerned) based on community
consensus and transparent development for changes like this one. I
suggest that the change be reversed and if some people wish to push
it, they post their rationale for this change to the ubuntu-desktop
mailing list for discussion.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Jonathan Jesse
+1 to what everyone said THis is a huge changed and should have been
decided at one of the boards.  Can we appeal to the Technical Board on
this?  Or some other goverance party?  If we can't then Ubuntu is no
longer a community created distro

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Phil Bull
Please clarify whether this signature will be set as default for
Maverick. We're well past documentation string freeze, but controversial
changes like this have to be documented so that users can opt-out. If
the default hasn't been changed yet, please consult the documentation
and translation teams before you make it.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread mlx
I, for one, fail to see a problem here as long as it's simply a pre-set 
signature which is seen while typing an email and can be deleted both once as 
I'm typing a message AND deleted for good from the signatures. Just make sure 
the signature is below a double-dash so mail clients interpret it as such, and, 
to prevent accusations of copying aPple, do it like Opera's mail client does it:
== signature starts here ===


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Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
== signature ends here 
I think Using Evolution on Ubuntu: http://ubuntu.com/; would work.
Notice, aside from the double-dash, a new mail message has 4 empty lines above 
the signature, so the signature is sufficiently offset from the body (and 
honestly, if you can't figure out you're done with a message when you're at 
Best regards or similar, you're not paying attention).

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread mlx
Oh well, the four newlines got deleted from the post, but you get the
idea...

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread mlissner
Tacky. Please revert before release. Ubuntu should speak for itself.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz
This gets more ridiculous, I believe. The mailing list signature,
without personalizing it, becomes :


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This seems really long winded when you add the standard 4-5 lines people
are already using. A one line message will become, what, about 10 lines
now? And to reply to that message properly, requires you to delete at
least 8 lines? Somehow, this is making less sense the more it gets
looked at.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Stephan Hermann
@Matthew,

we are old and long standing Ubuntu contributors,
and Ubuntu was never ever a community driven distro.

What we are is a commercial driven distro, which is developed by the
community.

Nothing more, nothing less. This is a good thing, as I as a community
developer can have a say to a company which needs to earn money.

Peace,

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread William Grant
Making ridiculous, controversial changes without community
consultation... after FinalFreeze. Nice.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz
@Phil Bull : 
This is the default already in Maverick. We are in final freeze, so a bug has 
been filed requesting this be reverted. That is bug 642839.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread William Grant
Ah, sorry, not actually after FinalFreeze. A while before, but hidden so
that users wouldn't find it without reinstalling.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Matthew East
Stephan - this isn't the place to have a debate about the nature of the
Ubuntu project. I'm struggling to see whether what you have said is
inconsistent with what I've said, but that's probably because I don't
know what you mean by driven. Lets take it off the bug if you want to
discuss further.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz
Launchpad is really not a forum to discuss a controversial change in a
closed bug. bug 642839 is open, I have marked it as triaged, and those
supporting reverting this change should really at least mark that bug as
affecting them. That bug is the proper bug to request a change to the
defaults be reverted. A bug which has already been signed off as fixed
is controversial at best when requesting the reversion.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Paul Sladen
** Description changed:

  Evolution should have a default signature such as Sent from Ubuntu.,
  or similar.
+ 
+ The mirror is bug #642839, which requests removal of the implemented
+ signature.
+ 
+ Based on the first 1,000+ contributors to the following poll, 25% are for the 
signature (the same ratio is present on the UbuntuForums):
+   
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/sent-from-ubuntu-signature-to-be-added-to-all-mail-sent-from-evolution/

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Seung Soo, Ha
I think that this should be an opt-in feature.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread tracyanne
I think this is a great idea, I don't find it at all bothersome when I
receive emails from iPhone users. I'd like to have emails go out that
advertise the fact that i use Ubuntu. The more people that know about
Ubuntu the better, in my opinion.

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[Bug 615300] Re: Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

2010-09-19 Thread Vish
** Description changed:

  Evolution should have a default signature such as Sent from Ubuntu.,
  or similar.
  
  The mirror is bug #642839, which requests removal of the implemented
  signature.
  
- Based on the first 1,000+ contributors to the following poll, 25% are for the 
signature (the same ratio is present on the UbuntuForums):
-   
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/sent-from-ubuntu-signature-to-be-added-to-all-mail-sent-from-evolution/
+ *
+ This bug is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is 
present. Which was fixed and  closed.
+ If you do not like this change, Kindly comment relevant info on Bug #642839 
which requests the removal of the presence of this default option.
+ *

** Summary changed:

- Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
+ Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

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