I've seen the Liberation font, it's very nice and probably a lot better than
either one of the fonts discussed here, judging from the samples. I'm not on
my Ubuntu box right now, do you have a screenshot showing how it looks as
rendered with the system's default anti-aliasing settings?
Michiel
The Liberation fonts exist only for width compatibility with documents
that were using Helvetica and Times New Roman. They are too ugly to use
for anything else, and we won't be using them in Ubuntu's interface. As
described in http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/308, Dalton Maag
is working
So basically, Liberation is meant to be the default serif, sans-serif and
monospace in documents such as web pages? Just saw some screenshots of
Liberation being used as the system font, and while I don't think it's ugly,
I can understand what you mean. Nice to hear that Dalton Maag have been
As per the decision made today at the Kubuntu meeting. Kubuntu is
switching to Liberation for 10.04.
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I think it's a difficult issue. DejaVu Sans is a very good font, as
is DejaVu Sans Condensed. The former has the advantage of being more
extended, which aids readability, and the latter might be slightly
more elegant and allows for more information to be shown on the screen.
In any case,
Has there been any talks on this further at UDS or IRC at all? Is this
feasible or are there no plans to implement such a task?
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I'm just a user, but now that we're seeing widescreen displays and
pretty large resolutions, the last thing I want is a condensed font.
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Here's another example where DejaVu Sans destroys a svg image:
http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/diagram.svg
should look like this:
http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/diagram.png
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hmm... maybe I'm wrong, when I watch the image with another application
then firefox, it works. Sorry for the interruption then.
I found an older discussion about this subject:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016949.html
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I don't see how DejaVu Sans could have broken that image. I've not
made many SVG graphics with non-outline text in them, but it would
seem to me that you can never be certain about how it will be rendered.
That SVG graphic you linked to seems to have Bitstream Vera Sans
hardcoded in it as
Ah, I see. In that case, ignore my last message too, since it seems
to be a Firefox bug.
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On 10-apr-2007, at 16:43, jhasse wrote:
hmm... maybe I'm wrong, when I watch the image with another
application
then firefox, it works.
I think you're right. It must be something else because this image is
broken.
well, I just noticed that pons.de has a new design which is now working with
DejaVu Sans. But I found another website which doesn't like right with DejaVu
Sans, it's the bottom of youtube.com. Because they might
Again, it seems to be the result of bad design. Try increasing the
font size while looking at that footer. You'll find that it's set to
a static height, and is unable to adapt to different font sizes.
I think that the footBotDiv id is the culprit. http://youtube.com/
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A while ago, I replied to this bug about not liking the font at all. It
seemed that a more extended font like DejaVu Sans was more readable, due
to the fact that broad fonts with a large x-height are simply found to
lend themselves very well for reading on a computer screen (as proved by
the
I'm currently unable to check on how that website looks with Condensed,
as I'm at work, but I'd expect that the breakage is due to the site
designers having done a bad job rather than the font being incompatible.
Making a design rely on the width of a font is always a bad idea (it
also probably
In my opinion DejaVu Sans Condensed looks better, too. Also some
webpages are broken due the width of DejaVu Sans. (like
http://www.pons.de )
Maybe a request for a hinted DejaVu Sans Condensed should be sent to the
DejaVu developpers?
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I personally don't like DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font in
OpenOffice, because it's different and does not match the rest of the
Ubuntu desktop.
If everything else in Ubuntu uses DejaVu Sans, then why should
OpenOffice.org default to DejaVu Sans Condensed.
In my opinion, this makes the
By the way, I also believe that this font's usability goes up when using
the low amount of hinting. It causes the top and bottom row of pixels
to be correctly hinted. If we use this font as default, I believe that
we should also start using that setting as the default hinting. (Should
I open up a
It does look different and maybe better with the Slight hinting
setting (I believe that's what you meant), but what bewilders me is
that, on my machine, the other hinting settings (Medium, Full) have no
effect at all (I use Subpixel RGB Smoothing).
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You know, I really don't think that this font is all that great. The
hinting is really, really off. Or even non-existent. And, as I
suspected, the font does not have the optimal screen font structure.
Condensed fonts are more difficult to read, most of the time, and that
is why I was skeptical
We switched Dejavu Sans back to Sans serif recently, because we shall
make CJK characters can be displayed correcttly, and we have used Dejavu
defaultly before feisty, there had problems for CJK users.
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Thank you, I'll fix that with the new libgnome upload
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We may want to test DejaVu Sans Condensed with people with that don't
use the Latin-Greek-Cyrillic character sets. DejaVu Sans is sometimes
poor for those characters. We may need a special DejaVu LGC Sans
Condensed, so that fontconfig falls back on another font.
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Sebastien Bacher, did you even read what I said? If you're fixing
this, you should realize that this isn't your average bug. This is a
gigantic OS-wise change that will affect everybody. We first would need
to open up a discussion on whether we /want/ to change this before
actually doing it.
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I've been meaning to submit this but somehow I forgot. It's the first
thing I change when I install Ubuntu for me or others and everybody is
relieved when they see Deja Vu Sans Condensed as the default font. It
takes up much less space on the screen than the grotesque Deja Vu Sans,
it is very
The point behind this is to use a condensed font for latin characters
which are shown on the desktop and interface (not in documents or inside
app windows).
Apparently the best idea would be to remove the messed up Cyrillic,
Asian fonts which do not work anyway (making Sans default to a decent
My concern /is/ appearance, Jimmy. Not testing. I'm active in the Ubuntu
artwork team, and I believe that making such a change is /not/ something
that you simply propose and accept in an afternoon. This requires more
thought, and I believe that the artwork team should be involved here as
well.
This is the proposed type scheme for Feisty. We'll use Bitstream Vera
Sans for document text and DejaVu Sans Condensed for the desktop theme.
There is some concern that DejaVu is not good for character sets outside
the Latin-Greek-Cyrillic languages, so if that's the case, we can cut
out non-LGC
Michiel, no need to panic, we can easily give it a try and switch the
font back before feisty, that's jut a proposed change before freeze on
an unstable distribution
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We just switch back to Sans Serif recently in kubuntu, for using
Dejavu Sans, CJK chareacters can not be displayed correctly, I don't
think we need test again. And in gnome desktop environment, we can
display our characters ootb, for it use Sans Serif, because we have
remapped CJK fonts to Sans
ZhengPing,
Thanks for your input. It means that we should definitely use the LGC
version to prevent this problem. It's not shipped with Ubuntu right
now, but this should not be a big issue.
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