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The title of this bug should be reworded.
I have a 44 DPI 50 1080 HDTV running lucid and there are some fonts so
small it's crippling. Specifically in Log File Viewer, and the terminal
output in Synaptic Package Manager. I have fixed Log File Viewer by
manually changing some of the font sizes
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While this bug does seem to affect some UNR users, it does not seem that
it is specific to UNR, so I'm removing the ubuntu-unr tag for the time
being. If anyone feels like it is specifically a UNR related bug,
please feel free to explain further and re-add the tag.
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:12:43AM -, Endolith wrote:
10 without any unit is supposed to mean point unit.
Well, according to that article it doesn't necessarily have any
meaningful units.
Not sure where you read that. I worked quite a lot on the code
surounding this, and with any units
Not sure where you read that.
From the link I posted.
http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2007-01.html#font-sizes
Right. So no unit == point ;).
It does seem that way. :)
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 02:47:06PM -, Endolith wrote:
Note that 10 is arbitrary and doesn't mean 10px or 10pt or
anything meaningful like that.
10 without any unit is supposed to mean point unit.
is 13.333px better for your unit?
- Alexander
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10 without any unit is supposed to mean point unit.
Well, according to that article it doesn't necessarily have any
meaningful units.
is 13.333px better for your unit?
I'm not sure what this is asking. I think it would be better if it the
font settings showed point units instead of being a
For some reason my DPI was set as 96 in Gnome Appearance settings, which
is totally wrong. After changing it to the correct 128 DPI (which I
measured and which I get from xdpyinfo | grep resolution, the fonts at
10 are way too big. I set them all to 8, and it seems to be about
right for a
Guys, this fix was *reverted* so Ubuntu is still forcing DPI to 96 DPI
by default instead of using the auto-detected value. Until that fix is
reinstated, this bug is not really relevant. We are basically waiting
for all the issues reported in bug #345189 to be fixed, which will allow
fixing
I am experiencing something related to this bug (specifically Alexander
Sack's wontfix in #43) using UNR Karmic Alpha 2 on an Acer Aspire One.
The screen resolution is about 134 dpi, but fonts are rendered by
default at 96 dpi:
$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution
resolution:133x135 dots per inch
Alexander, I think this bug is connected with
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-
center/+bug/157398
It seems that your fix made gnome's behaviour more inconsistent than
necessary (as described in the last commets on LP#157398) ... could you
consider just reverting the fix
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I am seeing different behavior on two different systems. On my system
at home, my font sizes are normal, but at work, my terminals are much
larger than they had previously been (and too large for the screen in my
opinion).
How can I go about diagnosing the problem?
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we don't use native DPI for jaunty anymore because of the regressions
you can see in bug 345189.
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could users there stick to fact and try not using angry tone or
suggesting that those who did the changes are doing stupid thing, the
value augmented but the unit changed too so it's not as obvious as you
seem to think it is and the change has been working fine for several
users, there is just
My fonts were way too big in Nautilus, Brasero buttons, etc yesterday. I
am using a 15 wide screen LCD with a resolution of 1366 x 768. I
changed all of the font settings to 10 and everything looks fine again.
Here is a post from the forum on this problem.
I am sorry if my tone was angry but there really is more then just some
buggy applications that is affected by this. Almost every
gnomeapplication is affected, is all of them buggy? However I wish you
the best of luck in solving this bug, e.g make the fontsize as it was
before or smaller.
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Please remember that attaching screenshots to show problems with the
default font size is almost uselessly misleading, since anyone with a
different DPI would view the screenshot at their own DPI rather than
yours.
Rick, changing Gnome's font settings to use pixels would not make it
transparent
Just for the record, places in a fresh (as of yesterday's daily) Jaunty
install that fonts appear too large to me:
- Nautilus
- Window titles
- Policykit/gksudo prompts (titles appear quite huge here
This on a Macbook 5.1 (Aluminium, late 2008)
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Look for example at Virtual Box or at Skype or even at people's
statueses in Pidgin and see for yourself what you did by changing from
10 to 13.333 with default font size. This is just hilarious.
I also use Ubuntu as a guest OS in Virtual Box and having to make it
fullscreen to be able to just
This is clearly not the way to go.
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I agree with Hermes. Look for yourself, look in Pidgin, look in
Nautilus.
This is what happened;
This bug was about lowering the fontsize. The fontsize was instead increased to
an abnormally high value, then the bug is marked as fixed?
With all your respect, if you think 13.333 px is a
This is why I got this morning very big fonts ?
Bug #345189 was opened about this issue. I had to set all fonts at 10px
to get something usable :(
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how does that fix this bug?
the bug reporter says: default font size of 10 is too _large_
and changing it to 13.333 just makes the problem bigger...
the default of 10 was usable for me, but 13 is just to big (indeed, see
bug #345189)
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Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the
actual issue here is that there is a bug somewhere that is making pt
fonts get dpi-adjusted _twice_, and px fonts are being dpi-adjusted
once.
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one part of this bug is supposed to be using 13.333px as the defaults -
shipped in libgnome2-common.
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To complete this bug task, the Font settings UI needs to be changed to
use px instead of pt. Ideally, this will be transparent to the user.
Otherwise, some way of reverting to the default font size in px will
need to be added.
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the gconf defaults and values should have px suffix:
e.g. Sans 13.333px
this should give proper size considering dpi.
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Alexander, what you are saying would completely defeat the purpose of
DPI in the first place, which is to ensure that 10pt appears exactly
the same regardless of what screen you are viewing it on. The gconf
defaults should absolutely not have a px suffix, as this would cause
incredibly small,
My tests seem to show that 10pt varies with size depending on dpi (ie:
10pt on a 135dpi monitor is bigger than 10pt on a 96dpi monitor).
10px is exactly the same size on both, as it seems to be dpi-adjusted.
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After discussing this heavily, it seems that something in GNOME has px
and pt exactly reversed. 1 pt = 1/72 inch, i. e. a 10 pt font should
have the same physical ruler height *everywhere*, whereas a 10 px font
has 10 physical dots on the monitor and thus its size is dependant on
the monitor's DPI
From what I heard in the desktop meeting and from what Marc mentions it
sounds like the Gnome font dialog isn't actually using pts but something
else entirely. This probably can't be fixed properly for Jaunty but long
term it should be using pts and using them properly being 1 pt == 1/72
and
To make the above point completely clear.
If you consider 8 pixels to be smallest displayable font size, it is
probably something close to this anyway.
Then you end up with the smallest displayable pt size fonts as:
laptop 150 dpi - 4 pt
desktop 100 dpi - 6 pt
hdtv 30 dpi - 20 pt
This does not
Unfortunately, this makes Jaunty uninstallable/unusable for netbooks, as
most of the dialog boxes won't have the bottom buttons fit in the screen
area.
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I've tried the alpha 5 livecd in a 1280x800 15.4 laptop, and in my 1440x900
14.1 laptop.
The fonts are rendered in a really different way!!!
Here are 2 photos for comparison.
the 1280x800 looks good, while 1440x900 looks BOLD!
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Similar issues on my system.
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Nicolò, the DPI is probably correct (you can measure it yourself to be
sure). The problem is that all the default fonts in Ubuntu are way too
big, because previously everyone defaulted to 96 DPI. That is why I
filed this bug, and I am re-opening it now that bug #157398 is fixed in
Jaunty.
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Nicolo there is no discussion on the mailing list that I know, I was
encouraging people who want to discuss that to open one
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Oh! I will open a new discussion in ubuntu-devel-discuss. Is this ok?
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why would changing the font setting be correct? on a screen which has 96
dpi the font would be smaller after upgrade for no reason
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Nicolo yes that's the appropriate list
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Well, isn't the DPI setting supposed to make fonts the same size on
all displays?
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Exactly, Nicolò.
Sebastien, would changing the default font size really affect anyone
after upgrading? If they already have specified custom fonts, I
certainly don't think they should be overridden upon upgrading. It
should only affect new users. It's true that the fonts would be smaller
for
Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been
reported, but feel free to report any other bugs you find.
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The issue is similar to bug #157398 and due to the wrong dpi value
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note that such issues should be discussed on mailing list and not on the
bug tracker, there is not many users reading the bugs and the lists are
better to discuss such changes
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I don't think the Brainstorm idea was taking into account the use of
accurate DPI settings. When running 96dpi on a 85 dpi monitor, I'm sure
the font size is fine, if not too small. But when running 96dpi on a
150 dpi monitor, the font is way too big. My argument was that when
running the same
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