[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Project changed: libgnome = gnome-control-center -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 Title: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/407621/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Bug watch removed: Mozilla Bugzilla #504275 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504275 ** Bug watch removed: GNOME Bug Tracker #557469 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469 ** Bug watch removed: GNOME Bug Tracker #588668 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588668 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #595341 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595341 ** Changed in: libgnome Importance: Undecided = Unknown ** Changed in: libgnome Status: Invalid = Unknown ** Changed in: libgnome Remote watch: None = GNOME Bug Tracker #595341 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 Title: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnome/+bug/407621/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Changed in: baltix Status: New = Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 Title: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnome/+bug/407621/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Kolargol00 and Pevzi, if you have any specific examples of inconsistent use of icons, please report them as separate bugs. Thanks. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Icon presence in default GNOME menus is still inconsistent in 10.04 RC. Please fix this flaw even if it comes from upstream. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Changed in: libgnome Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Invalid -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Icon presence in default GNOME menus is still inconsistent in 10.04 RC. Please fix this flaw even if it comes from upstream. +1 -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Applications and Places menus have icons, while System menu has no icons (and its sub-menus do have icons). Moreover, the option to enable icons in menus has been removed from the Appearance control panel. That's right. Menu looks very ugly now. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
And icons can be returned to their native places only using gconf- editor. Not very user-friendly -_- -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Description changed: The default setting for icons has now changed , the icons will not be shown unless forced upon by the app. - Icons that are essential must be displayed and need to be set accordingly in the app. + Icons that are essential must be displayed and need to be set accordingly in the app. If an icon is not displayed.This is a bug in the app. Kindly report it accordingly. And add a tag menu-icons to the bug report. Reason for this change in the default : to have a cleaner , consistent interface. To have the icons displayed as was in the earlier versions of Ubuntu, Workaround: - For menu icons : Appearances Preferences Interface tab Select Show icons in menus - For buttons , In the gconf-editor, check this option: - /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons + /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons --- The icons are not shown in the menus and dialogue buttons , since update : libgnome2-0 (2.26.0-1ubuntu1) to 2.27.5-0ubuntu1 - Upstream is setting these two options to false by default. + Upstream is setting these two options to false by default. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583352 + + Upstream bug for removing the interface tab in the Appearance dialog. + https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592756 -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
So, Gnome is now shifting to a model where dynamic objects -- applications, bookmarks, documents, folders, user accounts, wireless networks, and so on -- have icons by default, while all other items do not. What? This is completely backwards. Dynamic objects should not have items, while actions and dialogs should. When you have dynamic objects in a menu, 90% of the time all will have the same icon. This is the case for example with Recent Documents menu, disks, folders, wireless networks, and bookmarks pointing to the same site. The usefulness of icons in such cases is minimal, because most of the time you have to read the text. Moreover, clicking on any of the icons usually represents the same action (e.g. opening a recent document). On the other hand, each action or operation in an app (like any of the path boolean operations in Inkscape) is very different. By giving them icons, the user can associate an image with a specific action being performed on the document. This gives a large and very noticeable speed boost. At the minimum, the Interface tab should be brought back. Forcing users to drop their productivity in e.g. Inkscape and GIMP by several percent in the name of some rather abstract UI consistency and not giving them an option to revert to pre-Lucid behavior is unacceptable. BTW, I also do not see what is the problem with gaps created by iconless menu items. The gaps will be present even if no menu item has an icon, because some of them have checkboxes and radio buttons. Taking away icons doesn't solve anything in this regard. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Dave Gilbert: (and otheres) My brother is dyslexic and I have also for a long time had a deficient time writing and reading. We both prefer navigating using visual ques rather then text. The fact that the option to enable all icons has been removed in 10.04 is doing us a grate disservice. If nothing else it should be added to the Accessibility tool. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Is people aware this was an upstream decision and not an Ubuntu one? -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Default menus in 10.04 Beta2 are also inconsistent: Applications and Places menus have icons, while System menu has no icons (and its sub- menus do have icons). Moreover, the option to enable icons in menus has been removed from the Appearance control panel. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = New ** Changed in: libgnome Status: Invalid = New -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
@mercedes Please don't change bug status without a comment. ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
As much as I do agree that going back on the old way of including icons on every menu item possible is a good (both productively and aesthetically) change, I do feel that the lack of icons on actions on the main panel menu items is a step backwards in aesthetics (see screenshot-1), and feels to a user as if the icon should be there, because the other items all have icons, and the option to change their icon is in the menu editor. I therefore propose that 'essential' icons, present across almost all programs should have icons, but 'non- essential' icons should no. I believe that these 'essential' icons should be limited to the following: File: New, Open, Save, Save As, Print, Print Preview, and the recent files list; Edit: Undo, Redo, Copy and Paste; View: None; Search: Find...; and Help: Contents and About (the icon for which I think should be changed to the actions/gtk-info icon). Of course this is simply my opinion as a Ubuntu user, and should of course be put to community review, but could you please create a system to put this to review. Alternatively this feature could be implemented with a option in the menu editor (right click on panel menu - Edit Menus) with Enable icons for all menu items, and a checkbox in System - Preferences - Appearance - Interface with the option to Show icons on common menu items Thank you. ** Attachment added: Screenshot-1.png http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36162612/Screenshot-1.png -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Tags removed: metabug -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Tags added: metabug -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Tags added: iso-testing -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Reading comments here is clear enough that a lot of users (including me) saw the missing icons as a bug. Guidelines are good tools to give consistency, but we should also concentrate on *what* we perceive as consistent. A main menu with tree items, where the indentation clearly shows that something is missing on a number of menu items is just inconsistent. To the end user the theory of item and non-item menu object is just a technical aspect, what he/she can see is an inconsistent looking menu. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I also thought there was a bug when I noticed missing icons in the main menu, that's why I came across this page. I appreciate the idea of UI consistence and balance, but it's getting too inefficient. Let me explain: my OS is in Russian while lots of programs still miss the Russian documentation (or have 50-90% or so), tutorials etc., so I usually read it in English. English docs and how-to stuff on the internet have lots of screenshots: where to locate the menu, where to click etc. The trick is that every time I read some article, I need to map the English-language interface which I see on a pic to the Russian-language interface which I have on my machine. It was a pretty simple task prior to 9.10: I just relied on icons. Now, with icons gone, it's very frustrating (I'm glad that the option can be reverted, but since every ubuntu release I have to make more and more actions to make simple things work, I'm like feeling this option will disappear in 10.04 - so please, make icons default :) ). -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Style or Usability ? The eternal debate between graphic designers and people from ergonomics. Each group evaluates usability its own way. Basically: One says nicer is better (because aesthetic design ...), the other focus on methods and numbers (measuring user efficiency ...). I've seen them fighting at work for such a long time... Let's forget this debate for a while, and let the user choose, in the easiest manner. The user should be able to decide what's better for him. He should not be imposed choices by some pretending to know the way he works better than him. For now, to choose you want icons in both menus and buttons is just a pain. If you don't have read it from other people complaining, you have no chance to find it. Especially, the Gnome Registry should not be considered as a gui and therefore is not the way to go. PROPOSAL: When you open Appearance Preference, the first thing you see are visual summary of themes. If we put those 2 preferences (icons in menus and buttons) directly inside themes, we could see in a glance themes with or without icons. http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6513/themes.png The customize theme dialog would have a new tab Controls Icons containing those 2 prefs. Then let theme designers create clean themes or themes with icons. For example, Ubuntu could have a Human and a Human Clean theme, and choose which one is the default (by voting or whatever). And the default theme in Gnome, Clearlooks, would have no icons. So graphic designers would be happy to have more control on the design of their themes. And users would be happy to easily choose the aesthetic/usability they prefer. Firefox is using this way with its theme. For example, when you are on Mac OS with Firefox, the default theme has no icon in bookmarks, just like Safari. If you feel that makes bookmarks unusable, and you want them back like on Linux or Windows, you just pick-up another theme and problem solved. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Guidelines or not... think practical, in the end the missing icons in System and Places menus look like a bug to the common user. It doesn't look clean or professional, but rather opposite; buggy, incomplete, inconsistent. Is this Linux for Human Beings or Linux for Guideline Obsessives? -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Only by violating the guidelines for which items should have icons. None of the top-level items in the System menu obviously represent applications, files, documents, people etc, so they shouldn't and don't have icons. It is true that the Show icons in menus option is badly worded, but it has had that same problem ever since it was introduced years ago. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I support decisions taken by gnome developers and I also thank them for keeping enable/disable option open for me to choose how my menus look. #90 I didnt want to target your comment with the word Cute I took it as: clean and slick and cute are two options available I also believe clean and slick is the future. It will make the gnome look standard and polished over all types of resolutions. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Let's organize things my friend... Ok canonical desired to have this option off by default OK, no problem for that... But there is a bug in here.. What thing is context menu icons and other completely different is menu Icons, like system menu one... those options should be separated, Don't they? -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
The same guidelines apply to menu items no matter what type of menu they're in. For example, the use of icons in Nautilus's Open With submenu should be exactly the same regardless of whether you are opening that submenu via the context menu or the File menu. And icons in buttons and icons in menu items already are covered by separate options. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
So why do we have no icons in the System menu, if they are already separated options? -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 15:09 +, Andreas Nilsson wrote: I agree with this change, but this is not a election, so I don't think those kind of comments adds any additional value to the bug report. #80 ...and makes other menus cute again A cute looking Operating System is not something I think we should strive for. Cute stuff could make you forgive the OS easier (like the stupid Sony robot), but a professional looking one will make you trust it to begin with. @Andreas Nilsson: I agree that we should strive forward for a professional looking OS. Also agree that the *present* haphazard arrangement ,of icons and no icons in menu, makes the menu look a bit incomplete. I wouldnt say that icons are just for cuteness though. And stripping down *all* the icons doesnt necessarily make OS professional. Icons are very useful for quick navigation , of the menus , as they can catch the attention more easily. And as the saying goes... a picture is worth a thousand words ;p Flipping the gconf only hides the problem of the haphazard menu items , Until the guidelines are finalized. Quoting mpt from the usability mailing list: ... Even then, I think icons should either be used for every item in a section (between the end of a menu and a separator, or between two menu separators),.. But such a cleanup of the menus and icons would be a much harder process, and making a guideline even tougher , than just flipping a gconf. A fair trade-off for the time-being, i guess ;) On a sidenote: The design team seems to have observed ,during user testing , whether lack of icons made it harder to use the shutdown menu. And had not seen any indications of difficulty using the menu without icons... [ I *suspect* that such tests were only conducted in users either new to Ubuntu OS or are new computer users] Such a test , would be a highly biased test and not a reasonable/reliable indicator of the usefulness or need for the icons. - Any new user would *always* read the menu option listed and not initially depend on the icon. Icons become more recognizable over a period of usage and help navigate quicker only when a user is familiar with the system, rather than initially. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I do not really care about context menu with no icons BUT I'll never agree about having NO icons Under system menu, those are different this, and it is really horrible to have some main menu menu with icons and some other with no one like is the case of System menu and some icons under Places menu as well, It looks really a bug in the case it isn't... They should be separated options and they should be really be enabled, do u people get the idea? -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
i'm not against the decision to remove icons but i agree with manzur : having icons in Applications and Palces and not in System looks like a bug to the user -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I have no issue with icons being turned off, but turning them back on should be a easy consistent, which it is not. The location for this preference: System Preferences Appearance Interface (Tab) The option that turns it on/off: Show Icons In menu 1) The issue with this is why would someone go to Appearance instead of right clicking the menu and selecting Edit Menus. 2) Show Icons In menu does not turn off all icons. There should be one checkbox to turn all icons off/on or there should be one checkbox for each (Applications, Places, System) 3) Even with icons disabled, Control Centre icon is displayed Until the layout and logic behind this choice are completed, I think the best course of action is to keep displaying all icons by default in karmic. ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
a developer could tell me if I am wrong? can we have system menu back even with context menus disabled by default? -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I agree with this change, but this is not a election, so I don't think those kind of comments adds any additional value to the bug report. #80 ...and makes other menus cute again A cute looking Operating System is not something I think we should strive for. Cute stuff could make you forgive the OS easier (like the stupid Sony robot), but a professional looking one will make you trust it to begin with. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Gergely, I tried with French, Latin, Polish, and Portuguese, and none of the items in the System menu changed order. If you have a specific example of menu items without icons that change order in a particular language, please report that as a *separate* bug, including exactly which language you were using and exactly which items moved. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Sorry, it was a misunderstanding, the items in the System menu itself do not change order (I wanted to say Settings instead of System). Order is changed in Settings and Administration menus, but there *are* icons, so Fabián should tell which menus are those that have no icons and change order in different languages. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
@manzur Canonical had nothing to do with this, it was all Gnome's. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Taylor Ripps L-Wren: Pls read the initial comments , it was not all Gnome. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I prefer enabling icons in: /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons System Preference Appearance Interface Tab Select Show icons in menus I keep it default (disabled) for /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons This brings system menu back to normal and makes other menus cute again -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Fabián, which items without icons change order when you change language? That's probably a bug in itself. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Eg. elements in System and Administration menus change order as language changes (I have seen those menus in several lanugages), the order depends always on the alphabetic order of the current translations. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
That is no bug, they are sorted alphabetically afaik, which makes sense, but it takes some time to find the correct one in another language. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
The software entries have icons and the system category order is fixed though there -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I would just like to know why canonical took this decision -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Look... I do not care about context icons BUT about system menu icons, it looks horrible that we got any other main menu icons and System Menu icons are gone, please pay attention to this -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I just came across this bug a few weeks ago when i started using alpha. When using another language in Ubuntu options change positions *and* names, and icons are the only way some options can be found quickly. Without such icons it's not impossible but certainly not so easy to find such options. As a result I now have to write and maintain documentation about this. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
@mpt while on the whole i agree removing icons was a good idea as it makes for a cleaner interface but this as said in a previous comment really needs to be made a special case and allow icons for this. Me too. For example Close button is probably the most widely used button in all windows, but now it have no icon. Previously I could click it without thinking, but now... well, this is disaster, I'm completly inefficient. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Disagree with removal of icons. This looks and feels like there are missing icons. -.- -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Reported bug 451160. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Thanks very much Matthew!! :D -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Also affects: baltix Importance: Undecided Status: New -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Marcos, it's cool that we have made gufw a little more attractive without you having to do anything (no more ugly orange and white cross!), but the change has made it more obvious that you were not following the Gnome guideline about size and padding of buttons. http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/design-text- labels.html.en#layout-label-position Once you've fixed that, if you want further design help I suggest contacting a designer somewhere other than in this bug report. manzur, no, it was nothing to do with button sizes. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Hi Matthew! Could you be more specific about Gufw, please? Gufw is an open proyect to any tester and improvement :) Can you create (or another designer) a bug with more specific details (https://bugs.launchpad.net /gui-ufw) about the interface, please? Thanks! ;) In other way, I think that remove the icons is a bad decision. The icons creates better usability (with quick actions) and more beautiful interfaces. Please, think in it. That Windows Vista or Mac OX don't uses icons, isn't a reason (as upstream bug said). What about GNOME guideline? http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig- book/stable/controls-buttons.html.en The buttons uses icons. Best regards and thanks. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
komputes, the gconf key does not apply to entire menus, it applies to individual items. For example, when on, Places Connect to Server and Bookmarks Organize Bookmarks have icons; when off, they don't. Jean-François, testing this would be difficult but not impossible. Take a representative sample of computer users (which OSNews + Slashdot + Digg + Ubuntu Forums readers emphatically would not be!), sit half of them in front of a default Ubuntu installation, and half in front of an installation where only the icons-in-menus setting has been changed. Test their speed at performing particular actions that involve the relevant menu items (e.g. print this Web page), and afterwards ask them to rate the aesthetics of the overall interface, all *without mentioning icons to them at all*. Testing how people actually work and how they feel would be much more accurate than polling how they think they might work and feel. It is because testing small issues like this is so difficult that designers sometimes have to make decisions without testing. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Hello! As a developer (Gufw) I think this is a very bad decision. In my case, the interface lost usability and beauty without icons. You can compare here: http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7526/screenshot1i.png Please consider including the icons in Ubuntu! Thanks and best regards. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
2 point: Canonical took a great decision coz they were trying to make buttons the same size BUT.. after they have generated or designed small icons (16px) or minor ubuntu is prepared to reconsider their inclusion -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
manzur, You're talking about bug #84931, right? I don't think that was the motivation for disabling icons... do you have an official source to confirm this? Reading the comments on this bug from Matthew and others, it seems to be a design decision. If bug #84931 was the real reason for the change, that issue longer applies to Karmic. The Humanity icon theme is now the default icon theme, and the 16px icons that were missing from the Human set are present in Humanity. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
This just re-enable the icons in menu, not on dialog buttons. See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595341 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #595341 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595341 -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
This gnome bug is really interesting... :) Just a quote: if you want to restore icons with gconf-editor (/desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icon, menus_have_icon), remember to not to run it with sudo, because that changes settings for root (and that's why you won't see the effect). -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I see that Ubuntu does not feel like returning icons. Let it be. But people (as I see) don't like that change. So please highlight in visible places (Release notes on Ubuntu webpage, etc.) that it can be changed in System-Preferences-Appearance-Interface. I had spent really much time on finding this (yeah, maybe I'm dumb). -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I disagree with removal of icons too. When I use Windows, I hated that there are no menu icons. -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Ok, this is going nowhere. We have a bunch of me too's but that's never going to change their mind or give them a realistic sample of the gnome users' opinions. Quoting André Klapper's (condescending) comment upstream: 'Feel free to ask them, e.g. run a poll somewhere where probably 0.01% of the GNOME users will comment.' Now, instead of wasting time here, should we not indeed be looking at how to run such a poll and ensuring that we have 1) a large enough statistical sample 2) representative enough of the GNOME population ? Where and how could this be done in a (semi?) official manner? On the other hand, I have a vague pessimistic feeling that even if we do that and have a statistically sound poll to present to them, if the empirical results go against their hypothesis, they will dismiss them by saying that the study was flawed, that the results are not representative, and that we are a bunch of clueless non-designers, etc. Anyway. At this point, I don't really *care* who wins anymore. I just thought I'd mention this possibility, and that it would be an interesting social experiment to actually run such a poll on a large and representative sample (now, go figure out how to do that. OSNews+Slashdot+Digg+Ubuntuforums pointing to a single page?). -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
if your really want to run a poll, we sould wait a few months to see the whole picture (=wait to see if people get accustomed to it, otherwise you will have a lot of negative answers based on the fact that a lot of people don't like changes) -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
I thought you could restore them (at least in the beta) by going to System.Preferences.Apperance on the Interface tab and checking Show Icons in Menus... I did that... -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
Delan is right, you can activate them in the appearance settings I think we should activate them by default not only it looks better but it lets you find things faster as you can see on the gimp screenshot that I attached, I don't know if it's my brain but I find the printer icon faster than the word print ** Attachment added: gimp screenshot http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33278423/gimpmenuiconsgood.png -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 407621] Re: (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu
** Summary changed: - (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons + (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu -- (design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
