Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-27 Thread Olexiy Avramchenko
Rodney Dawes wrote: Not for me. The installed package on my machine requires libxml2, but does not have a dependency on libexpat. However, the dbus-gtk stuff seems to, though presumably that is indirect due to pango's dependency on expat, which gtk+ requires for obvious reasons. -- dobey On

Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
Hi, For my Summer of Code project (mentor: Owen Taylor) I am working on improving gnome startup time. Proof-of-concept work on gconf has already succeded in reducing boot time from ~35 to ~20 seconds, showing that there is room for improvement. Moving down the list of top culprits, my

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Sven Herzberg
Lorenzo Colitti writes: Moving down the list of top culprits, my benchmarks show that xrdb (and the cpp it spawns) to be one of the worst, and indeed symlinking xrdb to /bin/true results in a ~10% reduction in startup time. So why not just launch it some seconds after panel/nautilus? This way

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
Sven Herzberg wrote: Lorenzo Colitti writes: Moving down the list of top culprits, my benchmarks show that xrdb (and the cpp it spawns) to be one of the worst, and indeed symlinking xrdb to /bin/true results in a ~10% reduction in startup time. So why not just launch it some seconds after

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2005-08-27 Thread Mike Hearn
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:31:12 -0300, Steven Garrity wrote: For what it's worth, work on gtkspell3 has begun which will replaces ASpell/PSpell with Enchant as the underlying spelling provider. [1] Yep, but as Enchant is an abstraction/wrapper library it'll still be aspell under the hood (do any

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Alex Graveley
My gut reaction is that you should disable it now, and reenable/cache xrdb if user response is negative. This way you could focus on other ways to speedup the desktop launch, possibly providing other major wins. The Return on Happiness (ROH) is much higher for speeding up 95% of our users

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 18:09 +0200, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Hi, For my Summer of Code project (mentor: Owen Taylor) I am working on improving gnome startup time. Proof-of-concept work on gconf has already succeded in reducing boot time from ~35 to ~20 seconds, showing that there is room

Re: 2.12 stoppers and bug day tomorrow

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
It is sort of scaring me that we seem to be making very little progress on even looking at some of these. We found four more at bugday, though some (2, I think?) from the original list have also been fixed. New ones: text documents just disappearing off the desktop :/

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:05 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Thoughts? Should xrdb be turned off by default? IMHO a much better solution would be to simply delay running xrdb until after the splash screen disappears. This way people can get at their business quicker, while xrdb

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/27/05, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:05 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Thoughts? Should xrdb be turned off by default? IMHO a much better solution would be to simply delay running xrdb until after the splash screen

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Alan Swanson
On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:27 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:05 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Thoughts? Should xrdb be turned off by default? IMHO a much better solution would be to simply delay running xrdb until after the splash screen

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 19:31 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 8/27/05, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:05 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Thoughts? Should xrdb be turned off by default? IMHO a much better solution would be to simply

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Ed Mack
Still, one thing that would be nice would be to have a check box or something for each command saying if it should be loaded after the splash screen disappears. I mean, there are a few programs I like to run when I log in, but I don't want them to get in the way. Perhaps force users to

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alex Graveley My gut reaction is that you should disable it now, and reenable/cache xrdb if user response is negative. Turns out we've already disabled it and re-enabled it again because the user response was negative. So... :-) - Jeff -- UbuntuBelowZero

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/27/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Alex Graveley My gut reaction is that you should disable it now, and reenable/cache xrdb if user response is negative. Turns out we've already disabled it and re-enabled it again because the user response was negative. So... :-)

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa Probably back when adobe was still Xlib... Luis (trying hard to think of any significant applications anymore that aren't in some modern toolkit) How about most people's Emacs? Not that modern toolkits should be completely ignoring this stuff anyway. *cough* - Jeff --

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh How about most people's Emacs? And everything Tk, which covers a pretty surprising amount of software that corporates like. - Jeff -- GNOME Summit: October 8th-10th http://live.gnome.org/Boston2005 There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/27/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Jeff Waugh How about most people's Emacs? And everything Tk, which covers a pretty surprising amount of software that corporates like. I'm still distinctly unconvinced the rest of us (that is, the vast majority) should be paying a

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa I'm still distinctly unconvinced the rest of us (that is, the vast majority) should be paying a 10% startup penalty for this. The suggestions of 'add it back to your session' were fine - the reason I'm responding is to put some reality back into the but that's crack

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 18:09 +0200, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Hi, For my Summer of Code project (mentor: Owen Taylor) I am working on improving gnome startup time. Proof-of-concept work on gconf has already succeded in reducing boot time from ~35 to ~20 seconds, showing that there is room

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
Owen Taylor wrote: xrdb is first called by the X init scripts, then later *again* by gnome-settings-daemon. xrdb is also invoked by the default GNOME Xsession script: [...] I'm guessing that possibly Lorenzo didn't have any of these files in his test setup. (Fedora always has a system Xresources

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:05 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 18:09 +0200, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: The argument for removing xrdb altogether is that users that are putting #define statements in .Xdefaults or .Xresources are (a) rare, (b) probably non relying on

Re: 2.12 stoppers and bug day tomorrow

2005-08-27 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 18:54 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: applets regression: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309492 I identify this one as fixed. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA