Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 19:36 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/21/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before recommending that everyone use GUnique, could we define a migration path for it to enter the platform? We really don't need yet another shared library, and yet another module to

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alexander Larsson Uhm? Why not use X for IPC? Because clearly you would be hit by a bus if you considered such outrageous notions. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Whatcha wanna be when you grow up?

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm? Why not use X for IPC? *shrug* I remember that we (Matthias, Vytas, and I) discussed D-Bus, Bonobo, and Bacon (since there were several Gnome applications using each of those for their single-instance mechanism) and X (which Matthias

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 19:36 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: I agree that we don't really want another shared library, long term. Luckily, it should be easy to update apps when GUnique becomes part of some other library, as the code required to use GUnique is pretty small. As to how we get there,

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Rob Bradford
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the

Empowering platform developers [Was: GUnique]

2006-09-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Richard Hughes I also think one of the reasons it was not written with gtk+ as a target was the level choice i.e. does this stuff belong in gtk+, libgnome, insert_project_ridley_module_here or some other module. It's really important we put a lid in this kind of confusion quickly,

Re: Empowering platform developers [Was: GUnique]

2006-09-22 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 20:03 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Richard Hughes I also think one of the reasons it was not written with gtk+ as a target was the level choice i.e. does this stuff belong in gtk+, libgnome, insert_project_ridley_module_here or some other module. It's really

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread James Henstridge
On 22/09/06, David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME does not roll or maintain source tarballs for developers. I do not know of any stable Linux distro that currently offers a new enough version of udev that provides

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Rob Bradford
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 12:03 +0200, Rob Bradford wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 02:12 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/22/06, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm? Why not use X for IPC? *shrug* I remember that we (Matthias, Vytas, and I) discussed D-Bus, Bonobo, and Bacon (since there were several Gnome applications using each of

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Hi; On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 13:49 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: *shrug* I remember that we (Matthias, Vytas, and I) discussed D-Bus, Bonobo, and Bacon (since there were several Gnome applications using each of those for their single-instance mechanism) and X (which Matthias brought up

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
Jürg, Thank you for introducing me to yet another GNU/Linux distro. Variety and innovation are things I truly love about the open source movement. The issue with HAL-0.5.8.x is one of timing. David jumped the gun by removing the source code for libvolume_id from HAL. Had he waited a few months,

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Havoc Pennington
Alexander Larsson wrote: One advantage of using X would be that it works for remote X clients too. I think it'd be a mistake to start using X for all ipc for that reason - you'd end up never using dbus, and X is kind of a sucky IPC. To solve this for dbus there are two basic approaches, one

Re: Empowering platform developers [Was: GUnique]

2006-09-22 Thread Havoc Pennington
Richard Hughes wrote: No stick taken :-) For me, is the dependency issue. Can gtk+ depend on DBUS? If the answer is yes, then the decision is a no-brainer - put libguniqueapp into gtk. Remember the question isn't just can it depend but how, cf.

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K [ ] liboil-0.3.9.tar.gz 22-May-2006 21:41 814K dbus-glib

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Kjartan Maraas
fre, 22,.09.2006 kl. 12.03 +0200, skrev Rob Bradford: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Kjartan Maraas
tor, 21,.09.2006 kl. 16.51 -0600, skrev Elijah Newren: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Kjartan Maraas
fre, 22,.09.2006 kl. 10.34 -0400, skrev Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K [ ]

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
oops... middle-aged eyesight... [blush..] On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 16:43 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: fre, 22,.09.2006 kl. 10.34 -0400, skrev Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by gnome-power-manager-2.17.1, appears to be good enough for now. -Joseph

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME does not roll or maintain source tarballs for developers. But it's not so uncommon for GARNOME to patch its tarballs. Isn't that a possible solution to this awkwardness, even if it's just for GARNOME? I do not know of any

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by gnome-power-manager-2.17.1, appears to be good enough for now.

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 02:12 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/22/06, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm? Why not use X for IPC? *shrug* I remember that we (Matthias, Vytas, and I) discussed D-Bus, Bonobo, and Bacon (since there were several Gnome applications using each of

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread David Zeuthen
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 09:38 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: A GAR makefile to accomplish this is shown below. David, as well as others within the community, should be pleased. Awesome. Thanks for doing this! David ___ desktop-devel-list

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
David, You are welcome. The open source movement is all about we, not I. I will update GARNOME CVS-HEAD this weekend to give our users the opportunity to exercise HAL-0.5.8.1. Be well, -Joseph === On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:36 -0400,

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 05:49 -0400, Richard Hughes wrote: So I propose, tell maintainers to link against linguniqueapp (as it's more sane that what we have already[1]) and then depreciate it in a couple of years time when we've decided where it belongs. This means maintainers like me get

Re: ToPaZ, anyone?

2006-09-22 Thread Alex Jones
Hey, Brian! Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I can see, you might as well not even call this GNOME! On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 16:49 +0300, brian muhumuza wrote: http://live.gnome.org/BrianMuhumuza/ToPaZ -- Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ToPaZ, anyone?

2006-09-22 Thread Luis Villa
On 9/22/06, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Brian! Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I can see, you might as well not even call this GNOME! Not having seen the mockups at all, but... so? I believe we call that 'thinking outside the box'. Luis On Fri, 2006-09-22

Re: ToPaZ, anyone?

2006-09-22 Thread Alex Jones
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 14:05 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 9/22/06, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Brian! Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I can see, you might as well not even call this GNOME! Not having seen the mockups at all, but... so? I believe we call

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus

Re: ToPaZ, anyone?

2006-09-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alex Jones Whatever crazy ideas people come up with, you can never guarantee that they are going to be universally better than what we currently have. As such, with something as completely, drastically different, I see no benefit in calling this GNOME 3.0. The reason we came up

Re: ToPaZ, anyone?

2006-09-22 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 19:01 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: Hey, Brian! Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I can see, you might as well not even call this GNOME! having seen the mock-ups, I'd say that Brian took the Gimmie UI and pumped it up on steroids; not that I say it's not

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by

Re: ToPaZ, anyone?

2006-09-22 Thread Étienne Bersac
Thanks Jeff for the quick and right answer :) -- Verso l'Alto ! ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list