Re: Proposed module: devhelp

2007-01-09 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:40 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: (Note: let's suppose we have a developer tools suite) Information about devhelp: http://developer.imendio.com/projects/devhelp +1 - devhelp is a fundamental part of the developer experience in GNOME; and if it's not, it should be. :-)

Re: atk and gail branched

2007-01-09 Thread Bill Haneman
Danilo Šegan wrote: Hi Bill, Today at 17:51, Bill Haneman wrote: I've created gnome-2.16 branches for atk and gail. atk seems to be under http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/atk/tags/gnome-2-16/ instead of http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/atk/branches/gnome-2-16/ Similarly for gail

Re: Proposed module: seahorse

2007-01-09 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hei all! 2007/1/8, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can learn about seahorse here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/seahorse/ +1! --lucasr ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On 1/8/07, Don Scorgie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:34 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Information about gnome-main-menu: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-October/msg00221.html Danilo's evaluation (i18n point of view): MISSING :-) That's

Re: Proposed module: devhelp

2007-01-09 Thread Kjartan Maraas
man, 08.01.2007 kl. 19.40 +0100, skrev Vincent Untz: (Note: let's suppose we have a developer tools suite) Information about devhelp: http://developer.imendio.com/projects/devhelp Danilo's evaluation (i18n point of view): = DevHelp = No objections. I agree. This should really go in

Re: Proposed module: seahorse

2007-01-09 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Seg, 2007-01-08 at 18:05 -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: On 1/8/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can learn about seahorse here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/seahorse/ +1 from me, but I'm biased as I'm a developer. However, I would like to note that several of the concerns

Re: Proposed module: seahorse

2007-01-09 Thread John Stowers
confused questions I read the FAQ and I dont know how seahorse relates to gnome-keyring-manager?. One is keys and the other is keyrings. Are two applications needed considering keys, encryption, keyrings and the whole idea of it is confusing? /confused question

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Travis Watkins
On 1/9/07, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is replacing, it is replacing the whole Foot menu + Program menu + System menu because they are all part of one applet. I really hope that the module will not be included in addition to the previous menu. It is just pointless and

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Iain *
On 1/9/07, Travis Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case -1 for me. It might be great for new users but I tried it for a week and had to force myself to keep using it after day 1. It might be useful to explain more than that. What way were you trying to use it? Why did it not fit

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread David Prieto
It might be useful to explain more than that. What way were you trying to use it? Why did it not fit how you wanted to use it? etc? I know the question was not meant for me, but I find it unusable without a recently used apps menu, a places menu that follows nautilus' bookmarks or deskbar

Re: gnome-panel menu lockdown proposal

2007-01-09 Thread Alan Horkan
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Ghee Teo wrote: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:31:07 + From: Ghee Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-panel menu lockdown proposal There is another type of gocha type of against lock down. was that a

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Iain *
On 1/9/07, David Prieto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be useful to explain more than that. What way were you trying to use it? Why did it not fit how you wanted to use it? etc? I know the question was not meant for me, but I find it unusable without a recently used apps menu, Mine

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread David Prieto
it already does all that, except the places part Might it be bacause of my distribution, then? BTW are you saying that gnome-main-menu has deskbar integration? If I open it and type gai, will it offer me to open Gaim, and then place it under the recently used apps?

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Jamie McCracken
David Prieto wrote: it already does all that, except the places part Might it be bacause of my distribution, then? BTW are you saying that gnome-main-menu has deskbar integration? If I open it and type gai, will it offer me to open Gaim, and then place it under the recently used apps?

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread David Prieto
it does not integrate deskbar and nor should it - the search should only be for applications (IE .desktop files) I could do with just application search, but as far as I know it doesn't even do that. As for beagle search, I never thought it was that all that useful. After all the search tool

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:16 +0100, David Prieto wrote: it already does all that, except the places part Might it be bacause of my distribution, then? BTW are you saying that gnome-main-menu has deskbar integration? If I open it and type gai, will it offer me to open Gaim, and then place

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Jamie McCracken
David Prieto wrote: it does not integrate deskbar and nor should it - the search should only be for applications (IE .desktop files) I could do with just application search, but as far as I know it doesn't even do that. As for beagle search, I never thought it was that all that useful.

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread David Prieto
it does that but using beagle, if available, AFAIK. Well, that's not what I meant then. Accessing an app through the more apps menu is painfully slow and intrusive if you know what specific app you want to run, but it happens not to be on your favourites menu. The search bar could easily solve

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread David Prieto
Well IMO, the menu is far launching apps so it makes sense to limit search there to apps I'm not discussing this, in fact I agree - I'm just saying that gnome-main-menu DOES NOT do it at the moment and it should. Without that feature, it's less useful to me than the current menu and therefore

Re: gnome-panel menu lockdown proposal

2007-01-09 Thread Ghee Teo
was that a typo for 'gotcha'? as in got you, a hidden problem which will might come back and get you?re Yeap. You are absolutely correct! Some dialog allows you to specify the command that you want to run (exec) So user can simply change that to something like gnome-terminal and

Re: Proposed module: seahorse

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
+1 from me, too. Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: This is cool; it almost replaces gnome-keyring-manager... could it replace it completely one day, I wonder?... Could it end up replacing gnome-keyring-daemon as well (with seahorse-agent) ? ___

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:28 +, Bill Haneman wrote: As far as I know, gnome-main-menu hasn't had a thorough accessibility review. As such, I'd be very wary of introducing it this late in the release cycle.Shouldn't we have this discussion near the beginning of the cycle (say,

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:59 +0100, David Prieto wrote: Mine has this (recently used apps menu). I'm sure you must mean a favourite apps menu, not recently used. Otherwise please, correct me. It has Favorite Apps, Recent Apps, and Recent Documents. For Recent Apps to work, however, it

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:37 +0100, David Prieto wrote: it does that but using beagle, if available, AFAIK. Well, that's not what I meant then. Accessing an app through the more apps menu is painfully slow and intrusive if you know what specific app you want to run, but it happens not to

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 09:27 +1300, John Stowers wrote: +1 I find gnome-main-menu pleasant to use. From a feature parity perspective I think KDE is shipping their fancy new menu thing in KDE4 so it may be good to have something comparible in GNOME. Yes feature copying is not always the

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-09 Thread Calum Benson
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 15:29 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Calum Benson wrote: On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: We could also add a context menu with open and eject, since apps menu items already have context menus and it would be just logical that items in the places menu

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Richard Hughes wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:34 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Information about gnome-main-menu: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-October/msg00221.html -1 from me, on no technical merit other than I don't like what it looks like and I didn't like using

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Bill Haneman
... I'm rather surprised accessibility tests tell this one is better than the current Gnome menu. ??? I am not aware of any accessibility tests on g-m-m at all. What I said was that it should not go in until/unless accessibility testing shows that it works as well or better with assistive

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007, à 17:44, Bill Haneman a écrit : ... I'm rather surprised accessibility tests tell this one is better than the current Gnome menu. ??? I am not aware of any accessibility tests on g-m-m at all. What I said was that it should not go in until/unless

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 17:44 +, Bill Haneman wrote: Since there was a lot of a11y work in the existing menu code, I doubt that g-m-m would just work for all of our a11y scenarios without bugfixes/tweaks. Can you explain those scenarios? As I said in a previous reply, I spent a lot of time

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Iain *
On 1/9/07, Steve Frécinaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1 too. It's of no use, and worse than other ways of achieving the same functionnalities. Its much quicker for different ways of working with menus. I no longer have to hoke through menus to find what I want, and using a trackpad I often

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Germán Poó Caamaño
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 18:55 +, Iain * wrote: On 1/9/07, Steve Frécinaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1 too. It's of no use, and worse than other ways of achieving the same functionnalities. Its much quicker for different ways of working with menus. I no longer have to hoke through

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Bill Haneman
Hi dobey; Sorry, your previous message had gotten lost in the shuffle. I really do appreciate the fact that you've kept accessibility in mind when working on gnome-main-menu. That said, I'd feel much happier about things if two things happened - first, the orca and gok teams need to provide

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Evandro Fernandes Giovanini
Em Ter, 2007-01-09 às 18:55 +, Iain * escreveu: But I use: - xchat-irc, gajim, liferea and such daily - epiphany, thunderbird, devhelp, gedit, terminal, matlab, pepito, home folder every now. So that makes obviously more than 6, and those are more easily and

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Iain * wrote: (Note that I don't have beagle, and that beagle is not part of GNOME anyway) Whats this got to do with anything? Seems a silly strawman arguement. It was just a way to tell you I didn't test the possibilities linked to the use of beagle. Not an argument, just a fact. -

Re: Proposed module: anjuta

2007-01-09 Thread Rob Bradford
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:38 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: (Note: let's suppose we have a developer tools suite) Information about anjuta: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ I don't really think Anjuta is ready to be included in our new (proposed) developer suite (yet!). The last release was in May

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Jamie McCracken
Rodney Dawes wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 15:48 -0500, Bryan Clark wrote: Personally I think the menu is nice and there are a number of things I'd have done differently but the main reason I see against including it is that without beagle I can't imagine using it. I tried turning off beagle