Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Ghee Teo
Hi Vincent, While you have just announced 2.24.0 tarballs to be available for 22nd Sep. Does this mean we are going to ship 2.24.0 without an possible resolution to this regression? Since applications would not have a change to workaround this should gtk+ is not going to back up this feature.

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Ghee Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vincent, While you have just announced 2.24.0 tarballs to be available for 22nd Sep. Does this mean we are going to ship 2.24.0 without an possible resolution to this regression? Since applications would not have a change

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Davyd Madeley
I think GTK+ is now doing the right thing. From my understanding, this only affects UIs created with Glade (which has been setting a page_size of 10 -- and it seems still isn't fixed). Matt here developed a workaround for this in libglade. That sets the page_size to 0 and reports a warning that

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-22 Thread Steve Frécinaux
2008/9/18 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One way to avoid annoying the user is to establish a line like a password prompt should only pop up immediately after a user action. This way it appears only while you are expecting to type a password. Good behavior: you click on send mail in

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 11:54 +0200, Steve Frécinaux a écrit : 2008/9/18 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One way to avoid annoying the user is to establish a line like a password prompt should only pop up immediately after a user action. This way it appears only while you are

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Ghee Teo
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Ghee Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vincent, While you have just announced 2.24.0 tarballs to be available for 22nd Sep. Does this mean we are going to ship 2.24.0 without an possible resolution to this regression? Since applications

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Thomas H.P. Andersen
Can we get a precise list of affected applications? I only tripped over Inkscape so far but that's not part of GNOME and we'll likely patch it up downstream if there's no upstream fix. For one gnome-sudoku is hit by this. I have a patch ready that will be included in 2.24.1 We should fix the

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Ghee Teo
Davyd Madeley wrote: I think GTK+ is now doing the right thing. From my understanding, this only affects UIs created with Glade (which has been setting a page_size of 10 -- and it seems still isn't fixed). Matt here developed a workaround for this in libglade. That sets the page_size to 0

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we get a precise list of affected applications? I only tripped over Inkscape so far but that's not part of GNOME and we'll likely patch it up downstream if there's no upstream fix. For one gnome-sudoku is hit

Evolution branched for GNOME 2.24

2008-09-22 Thread Srinivasa Ragavan
Guys, I created gnome-2-24 branch for Evolution, Evolution-data-server, Evolution-Exchange and GtkHTML. http://go-evolution.org/Evo2.26 has some planned activity for GNOME 2.26. -Srini. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 10:23 +0100, Ghee Teo wrote: Davyd Madeley wrote: I think GTK+ is now doing the right thing. From my understanding, this only affects UIs created with Glade (which has been setting a page_size of 10 -- and it seems still isn't fixed). Matt here developed a

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 12:24 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we get a precise list of affected applications? I only tripped over Inkscape so far but that's not part of GNOME and we'll likely patch

Re: GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

2008-09-22 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 02:19 +0200, Andre Klapper a écrit : The release-team is going to use gdm trunk for GNOME 2.24. Note that most release-team members have mixed feelings. Entire discussion would have been less frustrating if gdm developers had been more responsible to the

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 18:47 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : If you've called the function in GTK+ directly, you never specify a page_size (it doesn't make sense). If you've set a non-zero page_size, it's really your own fault. Hi, how do you expect the people using gtk to guess that?

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:50 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 18:47 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : If you've called the function in GTK+ directly, you never specify a page_size (it doesn't make sense). If you've set a non-zero page_size, it's really your own fault.

Re: TARBALLS DUE (before Monday 23:59 UTC!, don't forget translators!): GNOME 2.24.0 Final Release

2008-09-22 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
As a wise man (okay, Claudio is not that wise) said [1]: watch svn-commits-list and see translators rocking! [1] http://www.gnome.org/~csaavedra/news-2008-09.html#D20http://www.gnome.org/%7Ecsaavedra/news-2008-09.html#D20 Can't help but wonder, if he was just buttering us (transators) up

Re: GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

2008-09-22 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
2008/9/22 Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] The release-team is going to use gdm trunk for GNOME 2.24. Oh bay, talk about a late notice. Thanks for the info. Note that most release-team members have mixed feelings. Entire discussion would have been less frustrating if gdm developers had

Re: GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

2008-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The release-team is going to use gdm trunk for GNOME 2.24. Note that most release-team members have mixed feelings. Entire discussion would have been less frustrating if gdm developers had been more responsible to the

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-22 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 11:54 +0200, Steve Frécinaux a écrit : We could have such a behaviour: - if the application requesting the password is focused, then show the modal dialog directly. - if not, then have an icon in the notification area or something

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 16:02 +0200, Dave Neary a écrit : I really think the good criterion is not “has focus” but some “action triggered by the user less than 1 second ago”. That seems like it'll be overly complicating any code that gets written to handle this. I didn’t mean to

Re: GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

2008-09-22 Thread Willie Walker
While I disagree with Brian's assessment (I think he tends to lean more to the 'it's OK as long as an able-bodied sysadmin can configure the system for the disabled user' side than the 'let the user be independent' side), I'll support the decision nonetheless. Will Vincent Untz wrote: Le

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 12:24 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : Can we request a global freeze break permission to fix this and only this? Could work, especially since we have a list of files that might need to be

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 16:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 12:24 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : Can we request a global freeze break permission to fix this and only this? Could

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 16:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 12:24 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : Can we

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Patryk Zawadzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dasher.patch This one looks like it touches some sliders instead of spin buttons, if these behave like scrollbars then page_size should be set to the handle length in units (as you don't want the handle to move past the

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2008/9/22 Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think GTK+ is now doing the right thing. I believe it would do twice the right thing if it also ignored page_size for spinenr buttons. As it is used to represent the number of data records (be it table rows, canvas pixels or something else) presented

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 22 septembre 2008, à 16:56 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : And I've created patches for quite some modules: http://tmp.vuntz.net/adjustpatches/ accerciser.patch anjuta.patch dasher.patch deskbar-applet.patch eog.patch evolution.patch file-roller.patch gcalctool.patch

Re: [gdm-list] GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

2008-09-22 Thread Brian Cameron
Will: While I disagree with Brian's assessment (I think he tends to lean more to the 'it's OK as long as an able-bodied sysadmin can configure the system for the disabled user' side than the 'let the user be independent' side), I'll support the decision nonetheless. I agree with you that

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 20 septembre 2008 à 12:17 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : read this bit above again... This is not true. See #307963. From the gtk 2.12 documentation for GtkAdjustment: The page size of the adjustment. Note that the page-size is irrelevant and should be set to zero if the

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2008/9/22 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The difference is that you are knowingly breaking hundreds of applications. You are able to fix those distributed by GNOME in a snap and that's all good, but you let downstream distributors with hundreds of broken applications in their hands. The

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Patryk Zawadzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/22 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The difference is that you are knowingly breaking hundreds of applications. You are able to fix those distributed by GNOME in a snap and that's all good, but you let

Re: [gdm-list] GDM trunk will be used for GNOME 2.24.

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Korn
Brian, all, Do we have a chicken-and-egg situation here? Why do all that is necessary in GDM if we don't yet feel that accessibility on the desktop is sufficiently stable to have it on by default from the GNOME community? (so goes one argument) At the same time, if we aren't quite there

Re: GTK adjustement changes create incompatible behaviour between versions?

2008-09-22 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Patryk Zawadzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I proposed. If it's != 0, force it to 0 and issue a warning. Spin controls have no concept of data set so there is no such thing as a

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-22 Thread Brian Cameron
Note that the Windows solution to use Ctrl+Alt+Del as a Secure Attention Key is just one way to implement Trusted Path. There is no reason that the GNOME or UNIX community couldn't come up with a different and novel way to meet the same requirements. The Secure Attention Key should be viewed

cheese branched

2008-09-22 Thread daniel g. siegel
i just branched cheese for 2.24. feature development should continue on trunk, gnome-2-24 is for translations and bugfixes only. thanks! daniel -- this mail was sent using 100% recycled electrons daniel g. siegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ekiga branched for GNOME 2.24

2008-09-22 Thread Damien Sandras
Hello, I created a new branch for Ekiga 3.00 and GNOME 2.24. I also created a tag for the 3.00 release. We will continue fixing things in the GNOME 2.24 branch, and new features will be committed to TRUNK. The GNOME 2.24 branch thus contains Ekiga 3.0.x code. Thank you, -- _ Damien

BillReminder has branched

2008-09-22 Thread Og Maciel
BillReminder has been branched. Development will continue on trunk and the current stable version is billreminder-0.3.2. Could someone update D-L? Cheers, -- Og B. Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US)

Re: GSD should not housekeep the thumbnails

2008-09-22 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:34 +0200, Stephane Delcroix wrote: Since 2.23.1, gnome-settings-daemon contains a housekeeping plugin that clean the .thumbnails. Even if it looks fair, it really makes the F-spot usage awful to the point it's basically unusable. A semi-related point: JPEG loading

Modules with no stable release for 2.24.0

2008-09-22 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Here's a quick list of modules that seem to still only have an unstable release. If you want someone to release a tarball for you, please reply. evolution-webcal 2.23.91 gconf-editor 2.23.91 gnome-backgrounds 2.23.92 gnome-control-center 2.23.90 gnome-icon-theme

Re: GSD should not housekeep the thumbnails

2008-09-22 Thread Ted Gould
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:19 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: JPEG loading with libjpeg is currently really slow (the benchmark being Photoshop, which is really goddamn fast for JPEGs). We could totally use some liboil/profiling ninjas to work on libjpeg to make it faster. Then, maybe

Re: GSD should not housekeep the thumbnails

2008-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
2008/9/22 Ted Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:19 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: JPEG loading with libjpeg is currently really slow (the benchmark being Photoshop, which is really goddamn fast for JPEGs). We could totally use some liboil/profiling ninjas to work on