Hi,
Allan Day wrote:
Dave Neary wrote:
Presumably you others are still not interested in drawing a few
developers and designers into a gnome-design mailing list, separate from
the usability list
I think it's important that we work on being more accessible, and we
need to make it easier
Hi!
That's disappointing. Using IRC really is an anti-pattern which the
design team should avoid - it's only one step removed from doing
everything in person or on conference calls. Bugzilla isn't a forum, nor
can you be sure who you're talking to, or easily follow past discussions
through
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
Hi,
That's disappointing. Using IRC really is an anti-pattern which the
design team should avoid - it's only one step removed from doing
everything in person or on conference calls. Bugzilla isn't a forum, nor
can you be
Hi:
I'm not pretty sure it is here where one should ask, but I can think
of a better place
Question: Which is the method/standart component you recommend to make
HTTP REST requests in gnome ?
I read the PlatfromOverview of Gnome 2.32 and there libsoup was
mentioned, as the same document for Gnome
2011/6/1 Erick Pérez erick@gmail.com:
Question: Which is the method/standart component you recommend to make
HTTP REST requests in gnome ?
I read the PlatfromOverview of Gnome 2.32 and there libsoup was
mentioned, as the same document for Gnome 3.0 isn't ready yet I wonder
libsoup is
On 1 June 2011 12:57, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically, mailing lists don't work for many kinds of productive discussion.
Agreed. In my recent discussions with the dudes in #gnome-design there
was a flurry of messages, perhaps as many as 200 back-and-forth
discussions
Le mercredi 01 juin 2011, à 13:33 +0100, Richard Hughes a écrit :
On 1 June 2011 12:57, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically, mailing lists don't work for many kinds of productive discussion.
Agreed. In my recent discussions with the dudes in #gnome-design there
was a
Hi,
On 06/01/11 13:57, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Dave Nearydne...@gnome.org wrote:
That's disappointing. Using IRC really is an anti-pattern which the
design team should avoid
snip
I really can't think of anything better than a mailing list which you
could use
Hi!
On 1 June 2011 12:57, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically, mailing lists don't work for many kinds of productive
discussion.
Agreed. In my recent discussions with the dudes in #gnome-design there
was a flurry of messages, perhaps as many as 200 back-and-forth
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
Hi,
Allan Day wrote:
Dave Neary wrote:
Presumably you others are still not interested in drawing a few
developers and designers into a gnome-design mailing list, separate from
the usability list
I think it's
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
Hi!
On 1 June 2011 12:57, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically, mailing lists don't work for many kinds of productive
discussion.
Agreed. In my recent discussions with the dudes in
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:18, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
Le mercredi 01 juin 2011, à 13:33 +0100, Richard Hughes a écrit :
On 1 June 2011 12:57, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically, mailing lists don't work for many kinds of productive
discussion.
Agreed.
Hi,
There's a lot in this email, it's worth responding to in detail (because
it gets to the heart of the matter). Reordered slightly to make my
answer more coherent :)
William Jon McCann wrote:
I think you need to be more clear about what your goals are.
My goals are to enable the design team
Hi Jon!
Are they listening or participating? Transparency and reporting is
pretty simple to solve. Publish logs, document (wiki), and blog and
you're pretty much there. Participation and engagement is much
harder. Basically you need to find a way to build a relationship with
a designer. It
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
Hi Jon!
Are they listening or participating? Transparency and reporting is
pretty simple to solve. Publish logs, document (wiki), and blog and
you're pretty much there. Participation and engagement is much
harder.
Hi!
Everyone may have an opinion and they are free to express it. However,
not everyone can be consulted before the fact - it is just practically
impossible. Those opinions, however, should be carefully gathered and
analyzed. There are careers for this.
I think you miss the original point of
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:38, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
Pretty good list of examples. All of these projects are mostly driven by
Red Hat full-time employees (which isn't a bad thing in general). It
happens to be the same company employing big parts of the core design
team.
Dave Neary wrote:
By working real-time, you are preventing a relationship from being built
beyond a small group of people. Those people work closely together, but
have the appearance of a closed tight-knit clique from outside the
group. There is no transparency about what the design team is,
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:38, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
Pretty good list of examples. All of these projects are mostly driven by
Red Hat full-time employees (which isn't a bad thing in general). It
happens to be the same company employing big parts of
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 14:31, Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:38, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
Pretty good list of examples. All of these projects are mostly driven by
Red Hat full-time employees (which isn't a bad thing in general). It
happens
Hi!
To *who* does it feel that way? If you're going to insinuate that
people have tried to get involved and been rebuffed, then I think the
responsibility here falls to you to provide an example. Please don't
talk around the accusation by inferring that it's some kind of RH
conspiracy. It's
Hi Johannes,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
I think you miss the original point of the discussion: Even people that
would want to join the discussion have a hard time doing it if
everything is discussion on IRC (at a certain time) only.
I would
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
I would really love to see someone set up official logging of GNOME
IRC, like MeetBot or whatever. Several people run private loggers,
but we'd just need to make clear to participants that it is being
publicly logged.
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:10:46PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
Both of these things require changes on the GNOME servers though, so
it's hard to just Make Happen =/
If people have something concrete and workable, then propose it.
Things I've noticed:
* interactive is needed
e.g. mailing
On 2 June 2011 06:10, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
Hi Johannes,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
I think you miss the original point of the discussion: Even people that
would want to join the discussion have a hard time doing it if
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Something that has worked well in Sugar has been to start discussion
on the mailing list and then schedule a meeting on IRC. Afterwards
minutes are sent back to the ml where discussion can continue and the
feature
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 16:10 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
Hi Johannes,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote:
I think you miss the original point of the discussion: Even people that
would want to join the discussion have a hard time doing it if
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