Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, On 06/02/11 02:02, Robert Ancell wrote: A huge +1 on this. IRC is much more productive, but it's crucial that it's logged for people who can't attend. (I'm always hitting this problem in GNOME trying to work out what happened while I was sleeping in Australia). This works really well in

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Sam Thursfield
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 06/02/11 02:02, Robert Ancell wrote: A huge +1 on this.  IRC is much more productive, but it's crucial that it's logged for people who can't attend.  (I'm always hitting this problem in GNOME trying to work out what

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Ancell
On 3 June 2011 19:55, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 06/02/11 02:02, Robert Ancell wrote: A huge +1 on this.  IRC is much more productive, but it's crucial that it's logged for people who can't attend.  (I'm always hitting this problem in GNOME trying to work out what happened

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: On 06/02/11 02:02, Robert Ancell wrote: A huge +1 on this.  IRC is much more productive, but it's crucial that it's logged for people who can't attend.  

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi, On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: I really don't think IRC logs are a good way of communicating anything. It's better than unlogged, but really only marginally. This discussion reminds me of the one we had about switching to DVCS some years back. At that

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Allan Day wrote: Dave Neary wrote: There is no transparency about what the design team is, who has what skills, etc. Many stakeholders and developers who have design problems do not have any relationship with the design team at all. This is the problem I think we need to solve.

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! This discussion reminds me of the one we had about switching to DVCS some years back. At that time, most of the core developers wanted to use git but most of the rest were opposed to that. While I don't claim this situation is the same, this discussion is also about which tools to

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 13:05 +, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: On 06/02/11 02:02, Robert Ancell wrote: A huge +1 on this. IRC is much more productive, but

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Here are two reasons I could see for people wanting their IRC conversations to be unlogged, along with my solution: * Sharing sensitive information. - Don't do that on IRC. Use a private chat if you have to.  But if it's

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; sorry, I'm attaching this to the latest email on the thread, but it's really a request to both Johannes and Dave. can you please explain to me, in a short sentence, what do you want to achieve? not how, but precisely what. I've seen people going round in circles and I still haven't

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-03 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! can you please explain to me, in a short sentence, what do you want to achieve? not how, but precisely what. Have a good way to get in touch with the design team/other core gnome teams that is not real-time and be able to participate in discussions about desktop-wide design topics. Dave,