Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, just to clarify: For 3.12, you would like to drop support for running gnome-shell or mutter on X directly and only support Wayland? I understand that X apps will still run on top of GNOME Shell on Wayland. Why you

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi Jeremy; yes, unported applications still using X11 should be able to run unmodified under an hybrid X/Wayland compositor. what Matthias was detailing for the 3.12 cut-off cycle is running GNOME Shell as a Wayland compositor by default, instead of an X11 one. ciao, Emmanuele. On 15 March

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: Spring is in the air - things change, people are looking for things to try and new goals. I propose that we set ourselves a new goal: port GNOME to Wayland Wayland has reached the 1.0 milestone recently and it

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi Tristan; On 18 March 2013 08:31, Tristan Van Berkom t...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: features. Lastly, the GTK+ Wayland backend needs some love to reach parity with the X backend. We will retain the ability to run X

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 15/03/13 18:32, Matthias Clasen wrote: For more details about Wayland see: http://wayland.freedesktop.org For more details about this proposal, see http://live.gnome.org/Wayland Let me know what you think, Hi Matthias, I had a few questions to satisfy my own curiosity :) I am neutral

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 12:10 +, Martyn Russell wrote: What are the benefits of moving to Wayland? I rather enjoyed the recent talk [1] given by Daniel Stone six weeks ago at LCA. I'd encourage anyone interested in learning more about Wayland who doesn't already know everything about it to

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Tristan Van Berkom t...@gnome.org wrote: I'm asking this out of my own curiosity... what kind of porting work would be required for an 'application' to be ported to wayland ? Shouldn't that be transparent for most applications by virtue of linking against

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Ross Burton
On 18 March 2013 05:10, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: Is this likely to cause regressions or be problematic with OpenGL or Wine based aps/games running on the GNOME shell desktop? I understand vaguely the relationship between GTK+ and Wayland, but not how a raw GL based application

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, just to clarify: For 3.12, you would like to drop support for running gnome-shell or mutter on X directly and only support Wayland? I understand that X apps will still run on top of GNOME Shell on Wayland. I'm not

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread stefan skoglund(agj)
fre 2013-03-15 klockan 14:32 -0400 skrev Matthias Clasen: Spring is in the air - things change, people are looking for things to try and new goals. I propose that we set ourselves a new goal: port GNOME to Wayland Wayland has reached the 1.0 milestone recently and it has already had some

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM, stefan skoglund(agj) stefan.skogl...@agj.net wrote: fre 2013-03-15 klockan 14:32 -0400 skrev Matthias Clasen: I dont think Redhat wants to have the same type of conversation they had with an client about GVFS bad behaviour when running over NFS if an

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Ross Burton
On Monday, 18 March 2013 at 14:58, stefan skoglund(agj) wrote: I wont be able to run wayland on my machine (old nv20-based graphical card.) Anyone with a spare agp card with really good support in current day X.org (http://X.org) ? Weston can composite with pixman, you don't need accelerated

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland

2013-03-18 Thread Patrick Welche
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:49AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, just to clarify: For 3.12, you would like to drop support for running gnome-shell or mutter on X directly and only support Wayland? I understand that

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland NFS performance in GNOME 3

2013-03-18 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
We have a gnome-integration list dedicated to integrating GNOME into environments. That would be a great place to discuss and figure it out. I'd like to see if we can make GNOME better in environments like yours. Login performance is slow even without NFS. Boot up performance to GDM seems to

Re: Porting GNOME to Wayland NFS performance in GNOME 3

2013-03-18 Thread stefan skoglund(agj)
mån 2013-03-18 klockan 09:10 -0700 skrev Sriram Ramkrishna: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM, stefan skoglund(agj) stefan.skogl...@agj.net wrote: fre 2013-03-15 klockan 14:32 -0400 skrev Matthias Clasen: I dont think Redhat wants to have the same type of