Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
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On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 21:20 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
IIRC pygtk is no longer maintained (as is gtk+ 2) as the newer binding
are using gobject-introspection and pygobject 3 which (presumably) don't
have this problem. Last commit to it was 2
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote:
IIRC pygtk is no longer maintained (as is gtk+ 2) as the newer binding
are using gobject-introspection and pygobject 3 which (presumably) don't
have this problem. Last commit to it was 2 years ago.
What if people
On 2013-04-04, 13:20 GMT, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
If developer says, he wants a patch attached, then it'd better be
attached. Fixed.
Matěj
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:
If developer says, he wants a patch attached, then it'd better be
attached. Fixed.
Thank you for your work!
But the patch is not big at all anyway; it is obvious to see what it
does by looking at origin report.
Le 04/04/2013 15:20, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
You'll find unreviewed patches all over the GNOME
Le 04/04/2013 15:59, Matej Cepl a écrit :
If developer says, he wants a patch attached, then it'd better be
attached. Fixed.
Well, it will be fixed only once committed and a 2.24.1 release out,
which IMHO won't happen any soon if the module is unmaintained...
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 21:20 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code
activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/
Maybe you have some luck to find a developer on
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
Focus on the bug, rather than how it is shown to you, please.
You'll find
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 10:44:22PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
Are suggesting that GNOME are maintained by a group of hobbyist?
How to prove your seriousness about your distributed software?
sarcasm
I am a hobbyist. I am aware that there is something wrong with that, for
which I apologize. Where I
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code
activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/
Maybe you have some luck to find a developer on
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
sarcasm
I am a hobbyist. I am aware that there is something wrong with that, for
which I apologize. Where I work we do indeed pride ourselves behaving
any way we like, because it does not matter at all how people are
We're not suggesting anything of the sort. We're saying that PyGTK+ hasn't
been touched in two years. If this patch lands today, can we ensure that a
new release of PyGTK+ is sent to distributions? Will you take the
responsibility to make a new release, a new tarball, etc?
If it simply lands in
This touches a general unsolved issue: Sharing the maintenance burden of
deprecated modules across distributors who ship enterprise / long-term
support versions. Same problem e.g. for gnome-vfs, libgnome, ...
I guess if somebody offered maintainership, nobody would refuse.
It's all
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote:
Did you ask for your money back?
No, I prefer paying some money rather than writing stupid E-mails as
the way to ask for support.
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2013/4/4 Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
Focus on the bug, rather than how it
2013/4/4 Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote:
Did you ask for your money back?
No, I prefer paying some money rather than writing stupid E-mails as
the way to ask for support.
Then you are lucky, there are plenty of GNOME
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
Volunteer != hobbyist.
Professionals volunteer their time and do their best to get things
working. Want something solved and it doesn't happen? Ask nicely.
Still doesn't happen? Too bad, nobody's fault really.
The
On 04/04/13 11:01 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
If it simply lands in git and that's it, why do it at all?
There is always a point of having stuff land in git. This allow making
the release process faster in case someone wants to step up and help
with the release. I don't believe in the argument
On 4 April 2013 16:04, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote:
Did you ask for your money back?
No, I prefer paying some money rather than writing stupid E-mails as
the way to ask for support.
Sound good. There are
On Thu, April 4, 2013 10:58 am, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code
activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/
Maybe you have some luck to find a
2013/4/4 Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
Volunteer != hobbyist.
Professionals volunteer their time and do their best to get things
working. Want something solved and it doesn't happen? Ask nicely.
Still doesn't happen? Too
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote:
Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions generally
and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and negative
tone frustrates productive discussion and often causes unnecessary
reaction
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 23:11 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
It is a problem reported as early as 2010.
It affects fair amount of software.
Age of a bug report isn't a criterion for anything. Why haven't you
pushed for fixing it earlier if it was known since 2010? ;)
You feel offended because a real
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
And?
No need to further rant how you tend to make excuses of bugs rather
than try hard to fix them.
It is not about being offended about a bug, it is about how disgusting
it is to talk to someone who treats you like crap.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
Age of a bug report isn't a criterion for anything. Why haven't you
pushed for fixing it earlier if it was known since 2010? ;)
No, it's not the topic but your tone. Don't mix that up.
Nice.
I began to aware of this bug
s/invaliding/invalidating
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Don't feed the troll.
2013/4/4 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 23:11 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
It is a problem reported as early as 2010.
It affects fair amount of software.
Age of a bug report isn't a criterion for anything. Why haven't you
pushed for fixing it earlier
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Daniel Mustieles García
daniel.mustie...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't feed the troll.
Sounds like you didn't check the bug or you don't understand code.
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On 4 April 2013 16:37, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Daniel Mustieles García
daniel.mustie...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't feed the troll.
Sounds like you didn't check the bug or you don't understand code.
sounds like you should take a break from
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote:
sounds like you should take a break from desktop-devel-list, and also
learn how to behave in a public setting.
Despite the later coming BS, you feel bad because, as OP, a bug is
presented to you with a honest question?
On Thu, April 4, 2013 11:16 am, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote:
Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions
generally
and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and
negative
tone frustrates
On 4 April 2013 16:46, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote:
sounds like you should take a break from desktop-devel-list, and also
learn how to behave in a public setting.
Despite the later coming BS, you feel bad
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote:
I understand that your bug complaint is important to you, but as I said,
community dynamics are very important to this list. As Andre said, it's
not the topic but your tone. This is not the first thread like this from
you.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote:
you keep thinking this is about the bug: it's not.
it's about your unproductive tone, your aggressive and pointless
arguing, and your confrontational attitude.
open source is about collaboration. behaving like you do is
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:51:50PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
I understand it's good to ask nicely.
But for this bug, such job is done by other people already.
Are you really saying that you're out to be annoying? Not sure how you
expect to get things done with such an attitude (in this project).
I only care software quality, go solve the real problem.
Don't assume I'm the only user of the API.
Since a patch is already given, I don't think I can any further action
on my side.
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On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:19:49PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
And?
No need to further rant how you tend to make excuses of bugs rather
than try hard to fix them.
Every software has bugs. GNOME has loads. We have Bugzilla to
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
Are you really saying that you're out to be annoying? Not sure how you
expect to get things done with such an attitude (in this project).
Bad mistakes deserve severe criticism, that simple.
I don't some people say something
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
Every software has bugs. GNOME has loads. We have Bugzilla to track
them. Help is appreciated to fix these, but pretty much all the
developers know that there are bugs.
Sometimes bugs are forgotten and just a ping is enough
Le 04/04/2013 17:56, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
I've already wasted a good amount of time of to remind you this bug.
It's you keep saying BS without give a shit to the origin bug, except
the guy who help attach the patch.
...which you could have done to be constructive. But now, what happens?
Even
Le 04/04/2013 18:06, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
Are you really saying that you're out to be annoying? Not sure how you
expect to get things done with such an attitude (in this project).
Bad mistakes deserve severe criticism, that
Le 04/04/2013 18:08, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
So I brought up a honest question, how long should a bug be fixed.
This should be a scientific measure of Quality of Support.
What kind of support do you expect from an unmaintained module ?
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
...which you could have done to be constructive. But now, what happens?
Even if the patch is committed (which it should), you'll need to have
your distro use that patch, or patch it yourself locally. Complaining
doesn't
This is a fruitless discussion.
Let me explain a little what people are trying to communicate to you.
You're looking at this in a very rigid manner.
In an open source community, your credentials matter. When your positive,
we're positive, if you're sour, well you're going to get a likewise
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
You don't need to be rude to have something get fixed. It's quite the
opposite. The more rude you get, the less interest people get in fixing
your problem. Talk to someone like a dog, and he will behave like one.
What
Guys, seriously, at this point, haven't you figured out that it
doesn't really matter what we say? He knows he's wrong, he just
doesn't want to ack. it, and I think he is enjoying this game.
The point is made, let's just ignore him and move along, we have
better things to do.
2013/4/4 Sriram
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
What kind of support do you expect from an unmaintained module ?
Then you just answer: Probably forever.
I accept it.
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Le 04/04/2013 18:30, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
What kind of support do you expect from an unmaintained module ?
Then you just answer: Probably forever.
I accept it.
pygtk stats:
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:16:21PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote:
Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions generally
and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and negative
tone
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
This is a fruitless discussion.
Let me explain a little what people are trying to communicate to you.
You're looking at this in a very rigid manner.
In an open source community, your credentials matter. When your
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
The point is made, let's just ignore him and move along, we have
better things to do.
I have better thing to do, either.
It was just a bug notice.
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On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 12:36:09AM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
This is nice answer.
But people didn't answer the OP question honestly.
They just try to prove that I was rude and try to make excuses of the OP bug.
You already got an answer that pygtk is not maintained, and that gobject
( I registered ubunturocks just to make some fun about Microsoft, don't get
me wrong. )
I'm sorry to many people as I was a rude asshole.
It seems that no one else want to take PyGTK even after my harsh request, OK,
let me give a try.
My skills:I definitely know C, some C++, some Python (both 2
( I registered ubunturocks just to make some fun about Microsoft,
don't get me wrong. )
I'm sorry to many people as I was a rude asshole.
It seems that no one else want to take PyGTK even after my harsh
request, OK, let me give a try.
My skills:
I definitely know C, some C++, some Python (both
On 04.04.2013 19:23, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
( I registered ubunturocks just to make some fun about Microsoft,
don't get me wrong. )
I'm sorry to many people as I was a rude asshole.
It seems that no one else want to take PyGTK even after my harsh
request, OK, let me give a try.
Each GNOME
On 2013-04-04 19:33, Stef Walter wrote:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/tree/pygtk.doap
The .doap file is incomplete and/or outdated.
The most recent active maintainer is/was John
Stowers john(dot)stowers(at)gmail(dot)com.
Regards,
Dieter
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As I keep getting Your message to desktop-devel-list awaits moderator
approval while some messages out some don't without any private notice. I
decided to use new attitude and mailbox :)
For those who concern the technical issue around of the memory leak issue of
PyGTK, any older, virtually
For those who concern the technical issue around of the memory leak issue of
PyGTK, any older, virtually equivalent but unnoticed bug/patch combination is
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On 2013-04-04 16:23, Xiaojun Ma wrote:
As I keep getting Your message to desktop-devel-list awaits moderator
approval while some messages out some don't without any private notice. I decided
to use new attitude and mailbox :)
That's wonderful news!
The moderation flag for your other e-mail
Hi
I'm glad to see both side of you calm down . I feel that this could be
a typical misunderstanding between users, package maintainers and the
upstream developers. Could we do anything about this?
I suggest we could setup a activity graph for each modules in the git
repository. So people could
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 15:52 -0400, Mike wrote:
Hi
I'm glad to see both side of you calm down . I feel that this could be
a typical misunderstanding between users, package maintainers and the
upstream developers. Could we do anything about this?
I suggest we could setup a activity graph
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote:
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 15:52 -0400, Mike wrote:
Hi
I'm glad to see both side of you calm down . I feel that this could be
a typical misunderstanding between users, package maintainers and the
upstream developers. Could
I appreciate that you are doing something constructive and trying to
learn. Thank you. It goes a long way in building trust and friendship.
sri
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
( I registered ubunturocks just to make some fun about Microsoft,
don't
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