GIT MAINTENANCE: 23th Apr, 11:00 - 12:30 GMT+2

2013-04-22 Thread Andrea Veri
Hi, I'm currently migrating git.gnome.org to a new machine, there will be a little downtime tomorrow 23th April from 11:00 - 12:30 GMT+2. The service involved will be shutdown to prevent any data loss during the move. As always I'll make sure to follow-up this e-mail to confirm that the move

Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm proposing it as a feature for 3.10 [1]. The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Frederic Crozat
2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm proposing it as a feature for 3.10 [1]. It looks like all the pictures from the

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 15:50 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: 2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: snip However, while switching wi-fi networks will require an extra step, I actually think that the the experience will be better with the new design. The current network menu contains a lot of

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Hey Allan, first of all thanks a lot for taking the time to look into these issues 2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 14:36 +0100, Allan Day wrote: snip However, while switching wi-fi networks will require an extra step, I actually think that the the experience will be better with the new design. I would make it clear that Wi-Fi networks that connect automatically (known networks)

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Frederic Crozat
2013/4/22 Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 15:50 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: 2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: snip However, while switching wi-fi networks will require an extra step, I actually think that the the experience will be better with the new

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 16:01 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: 2013/4/22 Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net: snip I also think that we'll need to have more applications, and desktop daemons making use of GNetworkMonitor to check whether they have access to the Internet before trying to access

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 14:36 +0100, Allan Day wrote: Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm proposing it as a feature for 3.10 [1]. The main element of the design

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
I'm concerned about the automatically opening dialog thing because I'm not sure we can tell when something automatically requests network or requests network on account of the user. For instance, is an AJAX request to a website a user request or not? We don't know. It could be clicking a button

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: Hey Allan, first of all thanks a lot for taking the time to look into these issues 2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time,

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 11:18 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: I'm concerned about the automatically opening dialog thing because I'm not sure we can tell when something automatically requests network or requests network on account of the user. For instance, is an AJAX request to a website a

Touchscreen Compatibility [was: Feature proposal: combined system status menu]

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Hi Alberto, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and user menus into a single menu. This will enable us to resolve a number of UX issues we've encountered with the existing design (badness on touch, difficulties

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 11:18 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: I'm concerned about the automatically opening dialog thing because I'm not sure we can tell when something automatically requests network or requests

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Part two of my reply. :) Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: ... More details are outlined on the wiki [2]. If you do look at the designs, please pay particular attention to the example scenarios - these give a clearer idea of what the menu will actually look like. The designs aren't

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: Otherwise, the UX of the giant dialog looks good to me, and I'm already starting to implement it. (But where's the avatar?) Avatar? Excellent. Is there a bug to track it? Not yet. It's in a local branch on my system, as it's nowhere near

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 14:36 +0100, Allan Day wrote: The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and user menus into a single menu. The update proposal [1] lists the following items as problems, but it doesn't say *why* they are problems. I'll comment: *

Re: Touchscreen Compatibility [was: Feature proposal: combined system status menu]

2013-04-22 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Hi Alberto, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and user menus into a single menu. This will enable us to resolve a number of UX issues we've encountered with the

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 14:36 +0100, Allan Day wrote: The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and user menus into a single menu. The update proposal [1] lists the following items as problems, but it

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Luc Pionchon
On 22 April 2013 19:57, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 14:36 +0100, Allan Day wrote: But on non-touch screens, some people like my mom (whose eyesight is not so great these days) could also benefit from bigger

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread meg ford
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: But on non-touch screens, some people like my mom (whose eyesight is not so great these days) could also benefit from bigger icons, or at least *more contrasty* icons. Dude, they couldn't have any more contrast.

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Giovanni Campagna
2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm proposing it as a feature for 3.10 [1]. The main element of the design is to

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
Hi Allen, I appreciate the opportunity to give feeedback on this. Thank you. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: It should be said that, as with any design, there are tradeoffs here. There are lots of advantages to this approach (see the design page), but

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Part two of my reply. :) Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: ... More details are outlined on the wiki [2]. If you do look at the designs, please pay particular attention to the example scenarios - these give a

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Florian Müllner
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: This is problematic is for those of us who use VPN The mockup[0] linked from the proposal shows VPN(s) directly in the menu when a VPN has been set up. Non-issue? [0]

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Hey Giovanni! Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: As one of the implementors of the current status icons, and current developer of gnome-shell, I can tell it's a small can of worms, but that's not what this is about. Rather, what I'd like to point out is that, in my opinion,

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.orgwrote: On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: This is problematic is for those of us who use VPN The mockup[0] linked from the proposal shows VPN(s) directly in the menu when a VPN

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Thanks, I must have missed it. I did peruse it and it's still an extra click and misses the convenience of going to the network menu and hitting vpn on. If you're doing a lot of it I can see it getting a little irritating. Yep, that's a downside

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Leslie S Satenstein
Giovanni I second your message. There are a few things in Gnome3.8 that need to be standard and not tweaked. a) User should be able to reset Frequent, or at least purge entries therein.  I do it by deleting the users .hidden files.  But that is not the way. b) In testing Gnome3.8, I ignore

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 22.04.13 15:58, Bastien Nocera (had...@hadess.net) wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 15:50 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: 2013/4/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: snip However, while switching wi-fi networks will require an extra step, I actually think that the the experience will

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 22.04.13 14:36, Allan Day (allanp...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm proposing it as a feature for 3.10 [1]. The main element

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote: This all looks so ... crowded in the wireframes. So very very crowded. That can't be good? First of all, did you look at the example scenarios? On my current machine, the user menu has 6 items, with the avatar, user name and chat status on top.

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Rather, what I'd like to point out is that, in my opinion, this needs more thinking through before going straight to shipping. I mean, I trust the design team and I value your experience in the field, but

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: Rather, what I'd like to point out is that, in my opinion, this needs more thinking through before going straight to shipping. I mean, I trust the design team and I value your experience in the field, but this is another radical change, and it's

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Rather, what I'd like to point out is that, in my opinion, this needs more thinking through before going straight to