Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Matthew Hodgson via desktop-devel-list
Hi folks, Sorry for the delay in response here - the last 24 hours have not been fun. Trying to address the main bits of feedback here: 1. The original issue that Michael Catanzaro reported (Matrix->IRC PM going missing) was a legitimate bug in the bridge.  The bridge is meant to display an e

More proposed release schedule changes

2020-02-13 Thread Michael Catanzaro
Hi, We're going to release GNOME 3.35.91 next week. (Tarball deadline is Saturday! Please release your tarballs now!) Only problem is, nobody is really testing 3.35.90 yet, defeating the purpose of having the beta release. A couple years ago, we've pushed our releases earlier just a bit (ge

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list
Hi folks, We been in contact with Matthew from Matrix for some time already. I lately didn't have much time to invest on this, so we had have some delays on answering. However, it's our expectation that with the set up that we have right now the IRC bridge should perform as its best, as we are usi

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:15 pm, Britt Yazel wrote: Attached is an image of the compact mode + dark theme. Just for the record. The thing is, it really comes down to personal preference. I suspect we have a lot of people who like web clients, and a lot of people who just don't. With open pro

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:14 am, Benjamin Berg wrote: One could do this comparison properly. But it would need setting up a private Matrix server for GNOME (possibly without Federation) and then checking how well it holds up when compared to Rocket.Chat. gnome.modular.im is already our "priva

Re: Initiative Proposal: Chat communication platforms

2020-02-13 Thread Link Dupont
In the spirit of using modern tooling, please direct responses to the discourse post on this topic. https://discourse.gnome.org/t/initiative-proposal-chat-communication-platforms/2794 Link On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 10:12 -0500, Link Dupont wrote: > Hi, > > We have been discussing the future of GNOM

Initiative Proposal: Chat communication platforms

2020-02-13 Thread Link Dupont
Hi, We have been discussing the future of GNOME's communication platform for years now, and no real progress comes out of it, except for a further fracturing of our community. I propose we form a team of people, representative of different factions of the community (developers, system administrato

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Adrian Perez de Castro
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:27:21 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:21 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote: > > > My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people > > > don't need a > > > gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a > > > lot of > > >

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:21 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote: > > My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people > > don't need a > > gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a > > lot of > > arguments for this I'm increasingly convinced it's an anti-feature >

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Alberto Fanjul Alonso via desktop-devel-list
The only reason I use matrix is that allows me to not loose any comment while I'm not connected. If we can recover the IRC log not, there's no need for it. If we can log off to avoid people talk to ghost users that's another improvement. Hands up everybody that claim IRC is just perfect but have

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 16:35 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel wrote: > > I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure > > which of those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix > > itself, or which is due to the clients

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hi, On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 15:32 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote: > Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep > hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web > clients, either in browser or with Electron, but I don't recall ever > hearing a "why" in there. O

Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

2020-02-13 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hi, On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 14:09 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote: > this is not going to be an academically backed response, just my > personal take. > > I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. Too bad you missed out on actually mentioning what your experience was. So it's very hard to relat