Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Allan Day
Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: to be fair, I'd envision this as a completely separate session that you need to install and select, similar to what Ubuntu does — especially if we want to call it GNOME Classic. Agreed. I don't think a separate session will work very well for

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 4:04 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: to be fair, I'd envision this as a completely separate session that you need to install and select, similar to what Ubuntu does — especially if we want to call it GNOME

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Florian Müllner
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 4:04 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: A separate user session would be the best user experience, IMO. If you think so, we'll have to discuss the technicalities of making that work.

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Allan Day
Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org wrote: ... The Tweak Tool shouldn't have anything to do with extensions. They are something that you install and run as a part of the system, not something to be tweaked via settings. While I agree with you that gnome-tweak-tool (and package managers (*))

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
The idea of using the web page as management was an idea that Owen had, and in some ways it was a logical progression of the addons.mozilla.org experience: you get extensions from the web site, so why not enable/disable/configure/uninstall them from there too? It's a good idea, but a myriad of

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org wrote: ... The Tweak Tool shouldn't have anything to do with extensions. They are something that you install and run as a part of the system, not something to be tweaked via settings.

Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
In the discussion over fallback mode at the Boston, we've talked about GNOME users who use fallback mode because they are used to certain elements and features of the GNOME 2 UX, such as task bars, minimization, etc. GNOME 3 has brought new patterns to replace these, such as overview and search.

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, what to do ? Thankfully, we have a pretty awesome extension mechanism in gnome-shell (extensions.gnome.org), and there are a ton of extensions out there which allow users to tweak gnome-shell in all kinds of ways. This also includes

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:17:16AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: We haven't made a final decision yet on how to let users turn on this 'classic mode' - it may be a switch in gnome-tweak-tool or something else. I'm wondering if we cannot just change the fallback mode switch into a traditional

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 15:05 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:17:16AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: We haven't made a final decision yet on how to let users turn on this 'classic mode' - it may be a switch in gnome-tweak-tool or something else. I'm wondering if we

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Debarshi Ray
It won't go in the Settings. Why not? Why was the forced fallback in Settings instead of the Tweak Tool in the first place? Cheers, Debarshi -- There are two hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors. pgpraCqiskS4Y.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 14:27 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, what to do ? Thankfully, we have a pretty awesome extension mechanism in gnome-shell (extensions.gnome.org), and there are a ton of extensions out there which allow users to

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Emily Gonyer
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote: It won't go in the Settings. Why not? Why was the forced fallback in Settings instead of the Tweak Tool in the first place? +1 Cheers, Debarshi -- There are two hard problems in computer science: cache

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 14:11 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: It won't go in the Settings. Why not? Why was the forced fallback in Settings instead of the Tweak Tool in the first place? To work-around driver bugs. We might replace the force fallback setting with a force software rendering switch

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On 21 November 2012 14:05, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:17:16AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: We haven't made a final decision yet on how to let users turn on this 'classic mode' - it may be a switch in gnome-tweak-tool or something else. I'm wondering

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: to be fair, I'd envision this as a completely separate session that you need to install and select, similar to what Ubuntu does — especially if we want to call it GNOME Classic. I don't think a separate session will work

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Emily Gonyer
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: to be fair, I'd envision this as a completely separate session that you need to install and select, similar to what Ubuntu does —

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: I don't think a separate session will work very well for this - for one thing, setting this up will require a number of settings to be tweaked (e.g. the one for the minimize button), and alternative sessions don't have the right

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, what to do ? Thankfully, we have a pretty awesome extension mechanism in gnome-shell (extensions.gnome.org), and there are a ton of extensions out there which

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi Andre; On 21 November 2012 13:27, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Can we make testing beta versions (and porting extensions to the next major version of GNOME) more attractive / easier for extension authors? Have Shell maintainers published info on Code changes which may affect

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: hi Andre; On 21 November 2012 13:27, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Can we make testing beta versions (and porting extensions to the next major version of GNOME) more attractive / easier for extension authors?