Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-05-06 Thread Martyn Russell
On 06/05/11 02:08, Danielle Madeley wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 17:05 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Not really, we could easily imagine being online without having Empathy running without having a people tab: user will just have to start Empathy to see his contact list. If we don't allow t

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-05-05 Thread Danielle Madeley
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 17:05 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: > Not really, we could easily imagine being online without having Empathy > running without having a people tab: user will just have to start > Empathy to see his contact list. > > If we don't allow that atm, it's mainly because: > A) T

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-05-02 Thread Felipe Erias Morandeira
On 29/04/11 17:23, William Jon McCann wrote: > > So, my quick recommendations: > > 1. Contacts > * A new application exclusive to and designed for GNOME > * Searchable through the OS overview > - Activating search results opens contact in Contacts app > * App is primarily search based

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-30 Thread Adrien Bustany
Le Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:38:30 +1200, John Stowers a écrit : > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > I'm not sure we really want a separate people tab in the overview. I > > know it is tempting, now that we have these 'tabs', to just keep > > adding on there: places, do

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Alexander Larsson
(Sent again, didn't seem to reach the list last time) On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 11:23 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > Another thing is that using Overview views for information types that > are nearly unbounded like "people" is really difficult. Browsing > isn't really a good interface for things

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Travis Reitter
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 14:31 +0200, Johannes Schmid wrote: > them. People often have weird nicknames anyway, that I don't remember but > which I can recognize when I see them in a list and searching is not > particularly helpful here. I don't think this will be too big of an issue for most people.

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Travis Reitter wrote: > What are some use cases for the set (favorites - frequent contacts)? It's like "recent documents", I suppose. Cell-phone/SMS/chat - recent calls/message history And in the Contact app, it'd be like a "speed dial" tab - the people you speak with most sitting right the

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Travis Reitter
Hi Dave, On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:46 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Travis Reitter wrote: > > In general, I think there are a few scales of contact sources we should > > consider (from smallest to largest / most- to least-frequent > > communication): > > > > * favorites > > * local address b

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi, Some very brief thoughts. On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 13:19 +0100, Allan Day wrote: > >> In general, then, my current position is that, despite it not being the >> primary way in which people will access messaging, we do still need a >>

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le vendredi 29 avril 2011 à 09:30 -0500, Jonathon Jongsma a écrit : > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:13 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > My main fears in a setup like this is: > > > > * Conceptually a "chat" app needs to be running all the time when you're > > online (as you might get a message),

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le vendredi 29 avril 2011 à 14:31 +0200, Johannes Schmid a écrit : > Hi! > > > * Contacts search (but no contacts tab) in the shell overview, which > > will provide a quick way to initiate conversations. > > > > While I see the point of not having another "tab" I still think the shell > integrat

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 09:30 -0500, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:13 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > My main fears in a setup like this is: > > > > * Conceptually a "chat" app needs to be running all the time when you're > > online (as you might get a message), but gener

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:13 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > My main fears in a setup like this is: > > * Conceptually a "chat" app needs to be running all the time when you're > online (as you might get a message), but generally you don't want to see > it all the time. With us not having a "goo

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:20 +0200, daniel g. siegel wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:13 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 13:19 +0100, Allan Day wrote: > > > > > In general, then, my current position is that, despite it not being the > > > primary way in which people will

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread daniel g. siegel
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:13 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 13:19 +0100, Allan Day wrote: > > > In general, then, my current position is that, despite it not being the > > primary way in which people will access messaging, we do still need a > > dedicated contacts app. I am

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 13:19 +0100, Allan Day wrote: > In general, then, my current position is that, despite it not being the > primary way in which people will access messaging, we do still need a > dedicated contacts app. I am open to being convinced that an integrated > IM/contacts app would wo

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > I'm not sure we really want a separate people tab in the overview. I > know it is tempting, now that we have these 'tabs', to just keep > adding on there: places, documents, contacts, what have you... but I > think it will lead to a clu

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! > * Contacts search (but no contacts tab) in the shell overview, which > will provide a quick way to initiate conversations. > While I see the point of not having another "tab" I still think the shell integration of IM currently suffers from the fact that empathy still needs to be around and

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Allan Day
Hey Alex! This is great. I've been doing some work on this recently, and we seem to be thinking about the same problems (good thing!) Alexander Larsson wrote: > I've been looking at the contact feature for Gnome 3.2 [1], trying to > understand what we want from this and how it would look. The in

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Travis Reitter wrote: > In general, I think there are a few scales of contact sources we should > consider (from smallest to largest / most- to least-frequent > communication): > > * favorites > * local address book, IM contacts, web services (including Facebook) > * remote directory (eg, LDA

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-28 Thread Travis Reitter
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:43 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > One more addition for your 'tasks involving contacts' list: > > * Schedule a meeting and invite participants > > Speaking of corporatey use cases, the traditional address book i

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-28 Thread Travis Reitter
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 14:43 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > So, what kind of things do we now want to do with our contacts > information? Here is a pretty comprehensive list of things that you > might need contact information for. Another long-term (after Gnome 3.2) class of use cases I'd lik

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-28 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > One more addition for your 'tasks involving contacts' list: > * Schedule a meeting and invite participants Speaking of corporatey use cases, the traditional address book is still used as a view of directory services like a company roster

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * An icon in the system tray area which gives dropdown with online >  and recent contact shortcuts, as well as an item to open the >  contacts. > * A people tab in the overview > * Return contacts when searching in the overview > > Non

Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-28 Thread Alexander Larsson
I've been looking at the contact feature for Gnome 3.2 [1], trying to understand what we want from this and how it would look. The initial page talks about a standalone contacts application, and while I think that is needed its not really the full extent of what we want. Contacts are a large part