Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-11-01 Thread Willie Walker
OK - I'll answer my own question - this approach doesn't seem to do what we want. In testing and testing with this, the problem is that some assistive technologies depend upon the existence and value of the key itself: if it's not enabled, they let the user know and then enable it. I

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-11-01 Thread Fernando Herrera
On 11/1/06, Willie Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So It seems as though the right thing to do is enable accessibility in the default schema for development releases. Anyone have a clue for how to do this? We can use a autoconf variable on the schema file and expand it depending on

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-11-01 Thread David Bolter
Willie Walker wrote: OK - I'll answer my own question - this approach doesn't seem to do what we want. In testing and testing with this, the problem is that some assistive technologies depend upon the existence and value of the key itself: if it's not enabled, they let the user know and then

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-27 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: This has festered for a little bit without further comment, so I'd like to poke it one more time to try to get this in for the GNOME 2.17.2 tarballs. Please speak up if you disagree and/or don't like the proposed patch (and you have a constructive alternative solution ;-)):

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 14:20 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: I'm not sure I understand the question, but you can manually get and set the key via: Maybe i'm just stupid, but it seems to me that you first set a_t_support depending on the version, and then run: + a_t_value = gconf_client_get

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-17 Thread Willie Walker
Sounds fine to me. I know zilch about the gconf stuff, and I'm only offering some stuff as a starting point. Since you obviously know far more about it than I do, I think instead of a smart guy (you) exchanging e-mail with an ignorant guy (me) to provide incremental improvements, would you be

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-17 Thread Rob Bradford
On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 10:44 +0200, Mark Rosenstand wrote: (Yeah, some kind of gconf-diff that shows how your settings are different from the system defaults would be way cool...) Attached. :) Regards, Rob -- Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/usr/bin/env python ### Copyright (C) 2006

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-16 Thread Willie Walker
These lines are supposed to say hey, if the key is defined, then use its value regardless of what the default setting is: + a_t_value = gconf_client_get (gconf_client, ACCESSIBILITY_KEY, NULL); + if (a_t_value) +a_t_support = gconf_value_get_bool (a_t_value); This allows you to disable

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-16 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 07:30 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: These lines are supposed to say hey, if the key is defined, then use its value regardless of what the default setting is: + a_t_value = gconf_client_get (gconf_client, ACCESSIBILITY_KEY, NULL); + if (a_t_value) +a_t_support =

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 13:10 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 20:32 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: I'd say that the best way to do this is like the code for G_DEBUG, just check gnome version in libgnomeui, and if odd number, enable it unconditionally. If even, check the

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Le dimanche 15 octobre 2006, à 20:32, Willie Walker a écrit : I'd say that the best way to do this is like the code for G_DEBUG, just check gnome version in libgnomeui, and if odd number, enable it unconditionally. If even, check the gconf key. Sounds good to me. It seems like the right

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-16 Thread Willie Walker
I'm not sure I understand the question, but you can manually get and set the key via: gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true As for determining the GNOME release version, this is already done further up

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-15 Thread Mark Rosenstand
On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 02:42 +0200, Sven Herzberg wrote: Hey Willie, Am Samstag, den 14.10.2006, 19:18 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker: As part of the GNOME Boston 2006 Accessibility Summit, and as part of the larger GNOME testing discussions, we would like to propose that accessibility is

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-15 Thread Willie Walker
I'd say that the best way to do this is like the code for G_DEBUG, just check gnome version in libgnomeui, and if odd number, enable it unconditionally. If even, check the gconf key. Sounds good to me. It seems like the right spot to do this might be in gnome-session/main.c. I submitted an

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-14 Thread David Bolter
Will, Yes. As we see more and more software consuming the at-spi interfaces (gui testing tools, screen readers, on-screen keyboards, at-poke, gui event loggers) it just makes sense to get as much testing coverage as possible. Let's fix the bugs in the development releases. cheers, David

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-14 Thread Sven Herzberg
Hey Willie, Am Samstag, den 14.10.2006, 19:18 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker: As part of the GNOME Boston 2006 Accessibility Summit, and as part of the larger GNOME testing discussions, we would like to propose that accessibility is enabled by default for GNOME development releases. That is,

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-14 Thread Fernando Herrera
On 10/15/06, Sven Herzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea sounds pretty good. I just have one question: If I run a beta as my first GNOME, the gconf key will be set to TRUE, will it automatically switch to FALSE once I upgrade to stable GNOME? (Will it work the other way around?) I'd say

Re: Proposal to enable accessibility by default for GNOME development releases

2006-10-14 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 19:48 -0400, David Bolter wrote: As we see more and more software consuming the at-spi interfaces (gui testing tools, screen readers, on-screen keyboards, at-poke, gui event loggers) it just makes sense to get as much testing coverage as possible. Let's fix the bugs