Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-27 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le mercredi 26 octobre 2005 à 23:39 -0200, Matthew Thomas a écrit : Use case: A child leaves the screen locked and goes to bed. Child's mother comes along, unlocks the child's account, saves the child's unsaved documents etc, and shuts down the computer for the night. gnome-screensaver

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:40 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: Le mercredi 26 octobre 2005 à 23:39 -0200, Matthew Thomas a écrit : Use case: A child leaves the screen locked and goes to bed. Child's mother comes along, unlocks the child's account, saves the child's unsaved documents etc, and

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-27 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le jeudi 27 octobre 2005 à 11:45 +0200, Rodrigo Moya a écrit : On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:40 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: Le mercredi 26 octobre 2005 à 23:39 -0200, Matthew Thomas a écrit : Use case: A child leaves the screen locked and goes to bed. Child's mother comes along, unlocks

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-27 Thread Matthew Thomas
On 27 Oct, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:40 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: Le mercredi 26 octobre 2005 à 23:39 -0200, Matthew Thomas a écrit : Use case: A child leaves the screen locked and goes to bed. Child's mother comes along, unlocks the child's account,

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-27 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mer, 26/10/2005 alle 13.03 -0400, William Jon McCann ha scritto: Hi Shaun, * The timeout when you type an incorrect password is very long. Yes it is. I found that some novice and show users weren't able to notice, read, and understand the error message text before the dialog

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread JP Rosevear
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:06 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hi JP, JP Rosevear wrote: I'm in favour with a couple of notes: 1. I liked the UI for unlocking circa 0.13 much better than the current I made some changes in response to Matthew Paul Thomas' analysis [1]. I don't agree

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Vincent Untz
On Wed, October 26, 2005 15:11, JP Rosevear wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:06 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: * Show a face image if available I think its wrong to assume the face stuff will be used everywhere and then to feature it prominently, essentially forcing it to be used or to

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Christopher James Lahey
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 15:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: On Wed, October 26, 2005 15:11, JP Rosevear wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:06 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: * Show a face image if available I think its wrong to assume the face stuff will be used everywhere and then to

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Christopher James Lahey
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 09:11 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:06 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: * Don't display the Unlock button when show the switch users options This makes sense. Deleted the original email, sorry. I don't understand this. When don't we display

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread William Jon McCann
Christopher James Lahey wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 09:11 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:06 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: * Don't display the Unlock button when show the switch users options This makes sense. Deleted the original email, sorry. I don't understand

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread William Jon McCann
Christopher James Lahey wrote: What does it have if the person doesn't have a face? Chris A bag? No, in fact, the latest version doesn't use an image if the face image is not available. Jon ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 10:15 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Christopher James Lahey wrote: What does it have if the person doesn't have a face? Chris A bag? No, in fact, the latest version doesn't use an image if the face image is not available. On my machine, it seems to use a

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:57 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 12:07 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hello, I am pleased to propose gnome-screensaver for inclusion in the GNOME 2.14 Desktop release. I'm in favour with a couple of notes: 1. I liked the UI for

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi Rodney, Rodney Dawes wrote: On my machine, it seems to use a horrendously scaled up version of the image not found icon, albeit, not the one in my icon theme. This is also an ugly thing to show, and is going to show up the majority of the time, as most people do not set faces. It's also

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 10:44 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:57 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 12:07 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hello, I am pleased to propose gnome-screensaver for inclusion in the GNOME 2.14 Desktop release. I'm in

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 17:03, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 16:54 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 16:44, Rodney Dawes wrote: 3. Unlocking the screen with the root password should do the same as choosing switch users, and logging in as root. Not doing so is

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-10-26 at 17:15 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: Root can gain access to your DISPLAY (~/.Xauthority), your tty, your env vars, strace or gdb a process, etc. It can even simply kill the Depends how your security model is set up. GNOME runs on several platforms (Linux included) with more

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 17:15 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 17:03, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 16:54 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 16:44, Rodney Dawes wrote: 3. Unlocking the screen with the root password should do the same as

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 17:29, Rodney Dawes wrote: If someone has physical access to the machine, they can just unplug it and walk out the door too. Doesn't mean that our software should promote lack of privacy. If that's the case, let's just drop the screensaver totally. What's the point if

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 12:07 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hello, I am pleased to propose gnome-screensaver for inclusion in the GNOME 2.14 Desktop release. gnome-screensaver is a new screensaver that can replace xscreensaver. It is designed to integrate well with the desktop and

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Shaun McCance I've long held that XP got the interaction right. There's just one login screen. Unlocking your screen is just logging back in again. Switching users is just logging in. Right now, we have the OS X interaction: We have a login screen and a separate unlock dialog.

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi Shaun, Good comments. I'll reply inline. Shaun McCance wrote: * On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenSaver there's the suggestion: ...an OS-X-like dialog shake would save having to print ugly That password was incorrect text. I notice that you have the shake effect, but that you

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Pat Suwalski
William Jon McCann wrote: How about... 3. Unlocking the screen with the root password should do the same as choosing switch users, and logging in as root. Not doing so is a privacy and security issue, as it may allow root access to remote hosts, that root normally does not have access to.

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Rob Adams
Of course, there's no way to know that the gdm login dialog itself isn't a trojan horse being run by the logged-in user either. You'd need a scheme whereby the login dialog first authenticates itself to the user before the user typing in the password to avoid that, or a button you press before

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 13:03 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hi Shaun, Good comments. I'll reply inline. Shaun McCance wrote: * Same wiki page: Use the gdm login screen for switching accounts, and tidy it up. I've long held that XP got the interaction right. There's just

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-10-26 at 10:31 -0700, Rob Adams wrote: scheme whereby the login dialog first authenticates itself to the user before the user typing in the password to avoid that, or a button you press before the login screen presents itself which is intercepted at the kernel level to cause the

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Henrique Rocha
This is my first post to this list. :-) It would be useful, at least in my college to know for how long the computer has been locked. I think a boolean 'lock_time' key in gconf would be useful, so that a sysadmin could set it as mandatory.-- Henrique Manuel Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Administração de

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-26 Thread Matthew Thomas
On 26 Oct, 2005, at 11:11 AM, JP Rosevear wrote: ... I think its wrong to assume the face stuff will be used everywhere and then to feature it prominently, essentially forcing it to be used or to get a meaningless (large) abstract person all the time ... Agreed -- I don't like being goateed

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le mardi 25 octobre 2005 à 12:07 -0400, William Jon McCann a écrit : Hello, I am pleased to propose gnome-screensaver for inclusion in the GNOME 2.14 Desktop release. gnome-screensaver is a new screensaver that can replace xscreensaver. It is designed to integrate well with the desktop

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi, Xavier Bestel wrote: Just for the record, does it run xscreensaver hacks ? Especially OpenGL ones ? Sure does. More details are in the FAQ: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScreensaver_2fFrequentlyAskedQuestions Jon ___ desktop-devel-list mailing

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread JP Rosevear
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 12:07 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hello, I am pleased to propose gnome-screensaver for inclusion in the GNOME 2.14 Desktop release. I'm in favour with a couple of notes: 1. I liked the UI for unlocking circa 0.13 much better than the current 2. The extra settings

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi JP, JP Rosevear wrote: I'm in favour with a couple of notes: 1. I liked the UI for unlocking circa 0.13 much better than the current I made some changes in response to Matthew Paul Thomas' analysis [1]. I don't agree with all of his conclusions but overall it seemed to be less which as

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:57 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: 2. The extra settings like DPMS need to be exposed like in xscreensaver or move somewhere appropriate Indeed. This functionality (especially DPMS off) is crucial in a number of scenarios (including laptop power saving). It would be most

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread James Ogley
[Gosh I rarely post here, Satan must be skating to work today...] I'm in favour with a couple of notes: Hear hear, but I'd add another one: 3. It would be nice if the configuration options for XScreensaver hacks were accessible through gnome-screensaver-preferences -- James Ogley [EMAIL

Re: Proposal for inclusion in desktop: gnome-screensaver

2005-10-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 23:41 +0100, James Ogley wrote: [Gosh I rarely post here, Satan must be skating to work today...] I'm in favour with a couple of notes: Hear hear, but I'd add another one: 3. It would be nice if the configuration options for XScreensaver hacks were accessible