Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 18:09 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:   I think his objections were

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
2011/8/20 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 06:46:15PM +0200, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Still, if bug #123456 is more voted than bug #654321, it may be worth dedicating some more design hours to the former than to the latter, investigating the reasons, providing evidence,

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I never found the time to do a proper write up of the user testing I did on the shell. It was brief and ad hoc; I can tell you that the five participants in my study were all able to complete the tasks that were set for them

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I never found the time to do a proper write up of the user testing I did on the shell. It was brief and ad hoc; I can tell you that the five participants in my study were all able to complete the tasks that were set for them

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Allan Day
Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy pclo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I never found the time to do a proper write up of the user testing I did on the shell. It was brief and ad hoc; I can tell you that the five participants in my study were all

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:28:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: So, no data there. There's no data there. No data there either. I have read that whole thread; there's no data there either, just about of explanations that can be reduced to; it's sleek. No data here either. Here's some

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:38:55PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:28:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: So, no data there. There's no data there. No data there either. I have read that whole thread; there's no data there either, just about of explanations

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:43:28PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: I think his objections were justified. There is really no raw data at those URLs. My problem is not with objections. It is about the way of expressing those objections. -- Regards, Olav

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 12.04 +0100, Allan Day ha scritto: Hey Giovanni, I'm being selective in my responses here... Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry I couldn't read through the whole GNOME Survey v4 thread, but it was just too long. What I read though

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Rui Tiago Cação Matos
On 20 August 2011 14:18, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Or we could have voting in bugzilla. I know many people are against to this, but it would immediately show the hottest issue, that surely require reconsideration by the design team. No. It would only tell you that a

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:38:55PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:28:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: So, no data there. There's no data there. No data there either. I have read that whole

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:   I think his objections were justified.  There is really no raw data at those URLs. Except Allan never claimed he was providing raw data. In fact, he explicitly said

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Allan Day
More selective answers... :) On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 12.04 +0100, Allan Day ha scritto: This is the first time I see the amount of users tested, and the exact tasks involved. I think it should go

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 11.02 -0400, Shaun McCance ha scritto: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:38:55PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 02:28:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: So, no data there. There's

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 15.48 +0100, Rui Tiago Cação Matos ha scritto: On 20 August 2011 14:18, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Or we could have voting in bugzilla. I know many people are against to this, but it would immediately show the hottest issue, that surely

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 16.50 +0100, Allan Day ha scritto: [...] Where we developers can find hard facts proving the NOTABUG and the WONTFIX we mark in the most questioned and hot issues? You can always mark a bug with the ui-review keyword if you want a second opinion.

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 18:09 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: I think his objections were justified. There is really no raw data at those URLs. Except Allan

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 06:46:15PM +0200, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Still, if bug #123456 is more voted than bug #654321, it may be worth dedicating some more design hours to the former than to the latter, investigating the reasons, providing evidence, doing tests, etc. Then, maybe the bug will

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 18:42 +0200, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 11.02 -0400, Shaun McCance ha scritto: I also do user tests when working on the help. I also don't do write-ups. I fix problems or I pass information on to those who are in a position to fix the

Where is the data?

2011-08-19 Thread Giovanni Campagna
I'm sorry I couldn't read through the whole GNOME Survey v4 thread, but it was just too long. What I read though is that data was collected and extists. Now I'd like to simply ask: where is it? Where we developers can find real cold numbers backing out the designs we're asked to implement? Where

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-19 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 19 August 2011 19:00, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: As a specific example of unscientific user testing, I got a friend of mine to try GNOME 3 at the desktop summit, and when it was time to shutdown he just asked me, because he found no way and he thought it was a bug.