Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-08 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Le jeudi 06 novembre 2008 à 13:13 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le samedi 01 novembre 2008, à 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier a écrit : Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. Please add brasero to the list at the top of

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-06 Thread Vincent Untz
Le samedi 01 novembre 2008, à 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier a écrit : Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. Please add brasero to the list at the top of http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyfive/Desktop and also add it to gnome-suites-2.26.modules (below

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Frederic Peters
Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 00:06 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: - there is the audio cd capability, it would be nice if n-c-b asked do you want to burn this as an audio cd when all files were audio files. (no bug report either). We tried this, it's broken, and

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mar, 04/11/2008 alle 22.19 +0300, Nickolay V. Shmyrev ha scritto: Well, both have issues, but I recently checked the current Brasero UI and quickly wrote the list that would be nice to do before the release: 4. Fix a single layout instead of horizontal and vertical, remove

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2008/11/5 Luis Medinas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 13:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 12:48 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit : If so, there is no UI for this, in example a Blank Disc entry in Nautilus context menu for inserted disc, isn't it? No,

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2008/11/5 Luis Medinas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't get me wrong: I love to see people working on improving our CD burning suite. But thinking of it as a standalone application, à la Nero, is a regression. Again... is any regression provide a standalone application that makes users do whatever

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2008/11/5 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 13:51 +, Alberto Ruiz a écrit : Does brasero has any sort of PolicyKit integration to handle the lack of write permission on the device (or cdrecord lack of setuid)? That shouldn't be needed, udev should set

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 13:51 +, Alberto Ruiz a écrit : Does brasero has any sort of PolicyKit integration to handle the lack of write permission on the device (or cdrecord lack of setuid)? No, =(. That deserves a bug report ;). ___

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 14:01 +, Alberto Ruiz a écrit : That shouldn't be needed, udev should set proper permissions on the device already. Well, some admins don't want users to write CDs on multiuser environments. So yes, it's definitively needed. The case where it is needed

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 13:41 +, Luis Medinas a écrit : Again... is any regression provide a standalone application that makes users do whatever they want when they want to burn a cd/dvd ? Yes, this is a regression. NCB made the right choice to consider CD burning as a service

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Luis Medinas
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 14:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 13:41 +, Luis Medinas a écrit : Again... is any regression provide a standalone application that makes users do whatever they want when they want to burn a cd/dvd ? Yes, this is a regression. NCB

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Hi, If we change our burning software so radically, I’d like to see radically new features as well. Currently I only see a radically worse UI. Please Josselin could you list the current flaws in UI design you see in brasero (apart from being a standalone application of course, I understood

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 13:51 +, Alberto Ruiz a écrit : Does brasero has any sort of PolicyKit integration to handle the lack of write permission on the device (or cdrecord lack of setuid)? That shouldn’t be needed, udev should set proper permissions on the device already. Cheers,

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mar, 04/11/2008 alle 15.21 +0100, Josselin Mouette ha scritto: Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 23:48 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit : Examples of backends are nautilus-cd-burner and brasero :-) OK, serious. From UI point of view, backend is the the dialog showing you the progress of

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Marko Anastasov
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 00:06 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: - there is the audio cd capability, it would be nice if n-c-b asked do you want to burn this as an audio cd when all files were audio files. (no bug report

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Luis Medinas
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 13:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 12:48 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit : If so, there is no UI for this, in example a Blank Disc entry in Nautilus context menu for inserted disc, isn't it? No, but it proposes to blank the disk at the

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mer, 05/11/2008 alle 13.33 +0100, Josselin Mouette ha scritto: Don’t get me wrong: I love to see people working on improving our CD burning suite. But thinking of it as a standalone application, à la Nero, is a regression. So we have two different issues. ** Issue #1 **

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 16:55 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit : So we have two different issues. ** Issue #1 ** We want a standard, well behaving, full featured GNOME framework for burning. Solutions: * add missing features in

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2008/11/5 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Case #5: create a dual data/sound CD = Here you need to be able to specify two sets of files: the ones going to the data track, and the ones going to audio tracks. A standalone application might do the trick, but it may still be possible to do it

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-05 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 17:48 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit : Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008 à 16:55 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit : So we have two different issues. ** Issue #1 ** We want a standard, well behaving, full featured GNOME framework for burning.

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Calum Benson
On 3 Nov 2008, at 08:48, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: El dom, 02-11-2008 a las 17:02 -0600, Jason D. Clinton escribió: 2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1, a wonderful application.

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Nickolay V. Shmyrev
В Втр, 04/11/2008 в 16:53 +, Calum Benson пишет: On 3 Nov 2008, at 08:48, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: El dom, 02-11-2008 a las 17:02 -0600, Jason D. Clinton escribió: 2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1 Regarding n-c-b comparisons, there is at least one thing that brasero gets right and that is missing in n-c-b: a nice bar showing amount of used/free

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Luis Medinas
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:21 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 23:48 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit : Examples of backends are nautilus-cd-burner and brasero :-) OK, serious. From UI point of view, backend is the the dialog showing you the progress of burning process,

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Frederic Peters
Luis Medinas wrote: NCB doesn't even support your cdrkit it still uses cdrecord so most of the distros need to symlink cdrecord-wodim which is a shame and shows that ncb needs update. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=509508 is certainly waiting for a patch that doesn't leak :)

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 04 novembre 2008 à 21:19 +, Luis Medinas a écrit : On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:21 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Yes. There are two separate things here: a real burning backend (which currently is cdrtools/cdrkit and in the end should probably be libburn) and a base UI. NCB

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Luis Medinas
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 00:19 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 04 novembre 2008 à 21:19 +, Luis Medinas a écrit : On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:21 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Yes. There are two separate things here: a real burning backend (which currently is cdrtools/cdrkit and in

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-04 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 00:06 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: - there is the audio cd capability, it would be nice if n-c-b asked do you want to burn this as an audio cd when all files were audio files. (no bug report either). We tried this, it's broken, and it just doesn't work for

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 01-11-2008 a las 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier escribió: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1 It is a great app and I am using it as a replacement of k3b since a lot of time. Sometimes I suffer some bugs (well, what app doesn't have bugs?

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Mathias Hasselmann
Am Montag, den 03.11.2008, 00:52 + schrieb Bastien Nocera: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:02 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: 2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop.

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 09:34 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit : I agree that more ambitious users need more powerful tools than NCB or Serpentine. So what about this random idea: Let's use PackageKit to add some Install Brasero button to the NCB window? I’d prefer to see the missing

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Carlos Garcia Campos
El dom, 02-11-2008 a las 17:02 -0600, Jason D. Clinton escribió: 2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1, a wonderful application. n-c-b should be completely

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 01 novembre 2008 à 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier a écrit : We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. -1 for me. Brasero has a way too complex UI compared to n-c-b, with doubtful improvement in terms of features. AFAICT the only thing it has that ncb

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Pacho Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El sáb, 01-11-2008 a las 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier escribió: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1 It is a great app and I am using it as a replacement of k3b since a lot of

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Hi, Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 00:52 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : Let me write the supposed workflow for CD burning in GNOME (that's not quite what it is currently): * Media is inserted first - User inserts blank media - The CD creator window opens up inviting the user to add files

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 10:42 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : Agreed but I'd vote for dropping the branding (with Brasero). If we aim for integration, the application names are only relevant for packagers and developers. Agreed. I confess that even I was not very comfortable with it.

application names [was: Re: new module proposal: brasero]

2008-11-03 Thread Frederic Peters
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: 2008/11/3 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So in the above example when a user inserts a blank disc, the nautilus dialog box What should we do with this? pops up and offers the possibility to Burn the disc with brasero. If that option is chosen, then brasero

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Frej Soya
Philippe Rouquier rouquier.p at wanadoo.fr writes: Hi, Le lundi 03 novembre 2008 à 00:52 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : Let me write the supposed workflow for CD burning in GNOME (that's not quite what it is currently): * Media is inserted first - User inserts blank media - The

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Edward Hervey
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 00:52 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: Brasero currently only offers an answer to the second option. And what we're really looking for is an answer for option 3. I'll take patches to create Video DVDs from a Totem playlist, and I'm sure Pitivi hackers would be happy for it

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
As regular user of both apps, I feel I must chime in - as n-d-b has feature to clean CD-RW discs now, Brasero isn't used by me anymore. It doesn't mean that Brasero isn't cool app - it rocks, it just feels like full scale battleship instead of speedboat. N-d-b one of core features is it's

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2008/11/3 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So in the above example when a user inserts a blank disc, the nautilus dialog box What should we do with this? pops up and offers the possibility to Burn the disc with brasero. If that option is chosen, then brasero opens a new data project and

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno lun, 03/11/2008 alle 00.52 +, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: Problem is it's a stand-alone application. It doesn't integrate with the workflow or usage pattern that we set out to achieve with nautilus-cd-burner. Bastien, sorry, but I think you are wrong here. By now Brasero can't be

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-03 Thread Luis Medinas
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:48 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: The real issue IMHO is you can't launch brasero from burn:// location or eternal apps like Rhythmbox. This feature was landed svn trunk today that will be available on Brasero 0.8.3 (planned to be released tomorrow or next wednesday).

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Bastien Nocera wrote: it offers the same features and integration (besides the hardcoded link CD/DVD Creator on gnome-panel[1-2]), That's means it doesn't use the same features. It doesn't integrate with the burn:/// usage pattern. Shouldn't both of those be configurable so one can use

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Hi, Le samedi 01 novembre 2008 à 22:51 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit : How does Brasero *integrate* in the desktop? E.g. burning from Nautilus? It doesn't do exactly what NCB does. Brasero is a standalone application. What I meant was a lot more basic (so basic that it probably shouldn't

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 23:22 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: [snip] It doesn't do exactly what NCB does. Brasero is a standalone application [snip] We need an actual list of what Brasero does that nautilus-cd-burner does not do. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Jason D. Clinton
2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1, a wonderful application. n-c-b should be completely removed. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:02 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: 2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. +1, a wonderful application. n-c-b should be completely removed.

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 12:56 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: it offers the same features and integration (besides the hardcoded link CD/DVD Creator on gnome-panel[1-2]), That's means it doesn't use the same features. It doesn't integrate with the burn:/// usage

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Luis Medinas
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 00:52 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:02 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: 2008/11/1 Philippe Rouquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop.

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Tim Miao
+1 And I also did some quick checks on brasero 0.8.2 a11y side on latest opensolaris, bugs were filed and most of them will get fixed in 0.8.4 or so. The issues exist in brasero bottom panel,; the cover editor, and labels in new project start page,brasero failed to show its children out to

new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Philippe Rouquier
Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. Brasero is a standalone application to burn CDs and DVDs. We have tried to make brasero as easy to use and as simple as possible. Brasero has been developped for about 4 years now and has been actively maintained ever

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philippe Rouquier schrieb: Hi, Hi Philippe, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. [...] +1 from me. Brasero is a wonderful application I've been using for quite some time now. As mentioned some distributions

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Philippe Rouquier: We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. I'd like to see this too. :) How does Brasero *integrate* in the desktop? E.g. burning from Nautilus? Are strings/wordings like Data disc, Video disc and

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Luis Medinas
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 22:51 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Philippe Rouquier: We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. I'd like to see this too. :) How does Brasero *integrate* in the desktop? E.g. burning from

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. Having something like Brasero directly in the desktop would completely change the current usage pattern for burning, and copying discs. Either brasero

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Luis Medinas
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 23:07 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. Having something like Brasero directly in the desktop would completely change the current

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 23:55 +, Luis Medinas wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 23:07 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero integrated into the GNOME desktop. Having something like Brasero

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-01 Thread Luis Medinas
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 00:33 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 23:55 +, Luis Medinas wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 23:07 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:27 +0100, Philippe Rouquier wrote: Hi, We'd be interested in having brasero