Re: Eel and Nautilus branched

2005-10-04 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 15:37 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote:
 Am Montag, den 03.10.2005, 09:28 -0400 schrieb Luis Villa:
  On 10/3/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Eel and Nautilus has been branched for 2.13. 2.12.x work go in the
   gnome-2-12 branch.
  
  Any interesting plans for 2.13/14?
 
 [1] and more fixes. I'm also quiet optimistic that we can finally get
 completely rid of bonobo/CORBA and integrate with a new metadata
 framework [2]. 
 
 [1] http://live.gnome.org/Nautilus#UpcomingReleases
 [2] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards/shared-filemetadata-spec

I haven't looked in detail at the shared metadata spec, so I can't say
much about it, but I'm very vary of switching to something new and
unproved. Let me just say that its not at all decided that we will
switch to this system.

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Sound Juicer branched

2005-10-04 Thread Ross Burton
Sound Juicer has branched for development, stable branch is gnome-2-12
as expected.

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Re: Sound Juicer branched

2005-10-04 Thread Luis Villa
Any plans for 2.13? [Yes, I'm going to ask this every time I see one of these :)

Luis

On 10/4/05, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sound Juicer has branched for development, stable branch is gnome-2-12
 as expected.

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Re: GNOME-Applets Branched

2005-10-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa

 In the future, you have updated:
 
 http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap
 
 to indicate what wonderful new features applets will have in 2.13. 

 Luis (insert air guitar here)

EXCELLENT!

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Re: GNOME-Applets Branched

2005-10-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa

  but your mail client probably looked at my Mail-Followup-To header and
  complied. :-)
 
 gmail displays that to the user as reply-to, which is damned irritating.

EVIDENCE OF EVIL!

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MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
Hi

I have had this patch around for some time, and seems to work pretty
well, so sending for comments and/or approval.

It just makes gnome-session display the /etc/motd file on startup, using
libnotify if available, or an ugly dialog if not. The 2 new files are to
be placed in gnome-session/gnome-session
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? depcomp
? stamp-h1
? gnome-session/gsm-motd.c
? gnome-session/gsm-motd.h
Index: ChangeLog
===
RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-session/ChangeLog,v
retrieving revision 1.601
diff -u -p -r1.601 ChangeLog
--- ChangeLog	24 Sep 2005 14:06:25 -	1.601
+++ ChangeLog	4 Oct 2005 15:35:46 -
@@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
+2005-10-04  Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+
+	* configure.in: look for libnotify.
+
+	* gnome-session/Makefile.am:
+	* gnome-session/main.c (main):
+	* gnome-session/gsm-motd.[ch]: added MOTD implementation.
+
 2005-09-24  Erdal Ronahi  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 	* configure.in: Added ku (Kurdish) to ALL_LINGUAS
Index: configure.in
===
RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-session/configure.in,v
retrieving revision 1.518
diff -u -p -r1.518 configure.in
--- configure.in	24 Sep 2005 14:06:25 -	1.518
+++ configure.in	4 Oct 2005 15:35:46 -
@@ -59,6 +59,24 @@ PKG_CHECK_MODULES(SOUND_TEST, $ESOUND_MO
 
 PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GNOME_SESSION, gtk+-2.0 = $GTK_REQUIRED libgnomeui-2.0 = $LIBGNOMEUI_REQUIRED $ESOUND_MODULE)
 
+dnl Check if libnotify is present
+
+LIBNOTIFY_REQUIRED=0.2.1
+LIBNOTIFY_CFLAGS=
+LIBNOTIFY_LIBS=
+PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBNOTIFY, libnotify = $LIBNOTIFY_REQUIRED,
+	  HAVE_LIBNOTIFY=yes, HAVE_LIBNOTIFY=no)
+
+if test x$HAVE_LIBNOTIFY = xyes; then
+AC_DEFINE(HAVE_LIBNOTIFY, 1, [libnotify available])
+AC_MSG_RESULT(available)
+else
+AC_MSG_RESULT(no)
+fi
+
+AC_SUBST(LIBNOTIFY_CFLAGS)
+AC_SUBST(LIBNOTIFY_LIBS)
+
 dnl gconf checks
 AC_PATH_PROG(GCONFTOOL, gconftool-2, no)
 
Index: gnome-session/Makefile.am
===
RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-session/gnome-session/Makefile.am,v
retrieving revision 1.108
diff -u -p -r1.108 Makefile.am
--- gnome-session/Makefile.am	10 Jan 2005 16:36:40 -	1.108
+++ gnome-session/Makefile.am	4 Oct 2005 15:35:47 -
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ defaultdir = $(datadir)/gnome
 
 INCLUDES =		\
 	$(GNOME_SESSION_CFLAGS)\
+	$(LIBNOTIFY_CFLAGS)\
 	$(STANDARD_PROPERTIES_CFLAGS)			\
 	$(WARN_CFLAGS)	\
 	$(DISABLE_DEPRECATED_CFLAGS)			\
@@ -26,7 +27,7 @@ STANDARD_PROPERTIES_CFLAGS =
 	-DDATADIR=\$(datadir)\  \
 	$(NULL)
 
-gnome_session_LDADD = $(X_LIBS) $(GNOME_SESSION_LIBS) $(LIBWRAP_LIBS)
+gnome_session_LDADD = $(X_LIBS) $(GNOME_SESSION_LIBS) $(LIBWRAP_LIBS) $(LIBNOTIFY_LIBS)
 gnome_session_save_LDADD = $(GNOME_SESSION_LIBS)
 gnome_session_remove_LDADD = $(GNOME_SESSION_LIBS)
 gnome_session_properties_LDADD = $(GNOME_SESSION_LIBS)
@@ -95,6 +96,8 @@ gnome_session_SOURCES =		\
 	gsm-keyring.h		\
 	gsm-gsd.c		\
 	gsm-gsd.h		\
+	gsm-motd.c		\
+	gsm-motd.h		\
 	gsm-protocol.c		\
 	gsm-protocol.h		\
 	gsm-remote-desktop.c	\
Index: gnome-session/main.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-session/gnome-session/main.c,v
retrieving revision 1.67
diff -u -p -r1.67 main.c
--- gnome-session/main.c	25 Jul 2005 07:13:53 -	1.67
+++ gnome-session/main.c	4 Oct 2005 15:35:48 -
@@ -48,6 +48,7 @@
 #include gsm-xrandr.h
 #include gsm-at-startup.h
 #include gsm-remote-desktop.h
+#include gsm-motd.h
 
 /* Flag indicating autosave - user won't be prompted on logout to 
  * save the session */
@@ -461,7 +462,11 @@ main (int argc, char *argv[])
   if (a_t_support) /* the ATs are happier if the session has started */
 gsm_assistive_technologies_start ();
 
+  gsm_motd_start ();
+
   gtk_main ();
+
+  gsm_motd_stop ();
 
   gsm_remote_desktop_cleanup ();
 
/* gdm-motd.c - Message of the Day support in gnome-session.

   Copyright (C) 1998, 1999 Tom Tromey

   This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
   it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
   the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
   any later version.

   This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
   but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
   MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
   GNU General Public License for more details.

   You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
   along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
   Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA
   02111-1307, USA.  */

#include config.h
#include glib/gi18n.h
#include gtk/gtkmessagedialog.h
#include libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-ops.h
#ifdef HAVE_LIBNOTIFY
#include libnotify/notify.h
#endif
#include gsm-motd.h

static gchar 

Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Rodrigo,

On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 17:40 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
 Hi
 
 I have had this patch around for some time, and seems to work pretty
 well, so sending for comments and/or approval.
 
 It just makes gnome-session display the /etc/motd file on startup, using
 libnotify if available, or an ugly dialog if not. The 2 new files are to
 be placed in gnome-session/gnome-session

I the first thing worth discussing is why?. Why is it a good idea to
show /etc/motd at login?

Thanks,
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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Mark McLoughlin

   I the first thing worth discussing is why?. Why is it a good idea to
 show /etc/motd at login?

It's very handy for sysadmins to display information to the user at login.
I've used zenity and very bad gnome-session hacks for this in the past. Our
audience of desktop systems administrators will appreciate the feature.

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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:48 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
 Hi Rodrigo,
 
 On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 17:40 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
  Hi
  
  I have had this patch around for some time, and seems to work pretty
  well, so sending for comments and/or approval.
  
  It just makes gnome-session display the /etc/motd file on startup, using
  libnotify if available, or an ugly dialog if not. The 2 new files are to
  be placed in gnome-session/gnome-session
 
   I the first thing worth discussing is why?. Why is it a good idea to
 show /etc/motd at login?
 
for the same reason it is shown when you log in on a terminal.
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shared memory usage tool - exmap

2005-10-04 Thread John Berthels
Hi,

I've been working on a tool to help accurately account for shared
memory usage amongst multiple processes (following some of the
suggestions from the gnome wiki). This was suggested to me as a
relevant place to mention it - if not then sorry, and please let me
know if any other gnome lists might be appropriate.

You can get the current version here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.berthels/exmap

(latest version is 0.3).

Exmap comprises a kernel loadable module which exports the page
identity (pfn) for each page in each VMA of a selected process. A
perl/gtk2 app then uses this to walk the process list and build up a
picture of how pages are shared amongst mapped files and processes.

I've only got UI in for a fairly limited array of stats to far, but
hope to add much more (the underlying data structures have
significantly more info than is currently exposed). All suggestions on
what would other info would be useful (and perhaps ideas on the best
UI to present it) gratefully received.

I've previously bothered some people off-list about an precursor to
this tool (named shmap). Exmap uses a different approach (user space
correlation of page pfn's) rather than mapcount from struct page. This
appears to resolve the accuracy problems I was having with the
previous system.

I guess I'm saying it may be worth a second look :-)

regards,

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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 01:53 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 quote who=Mark McLoughlin
 
  I the first thing worth discussing is why?. Why is it a good idea to
  show /etc/motd at login?
 
 It's very handy for sysadmins to display information to the user at login.
 I've used zenity and very bad gnome-session hacks for this in the past. Our
 audience of desktop systems administrators will appreciate the feature.

What kind of information is it especially handy for? Perhaps when you
upgrade the desktop and you want to warn people that stuff has changed?
But not for stuff like internet will be down for a while today because
people may not actually log out that often?

Is login the best time to show this information or would you prefer if
the user saw it immediately?

Would you expect each user to see this information only once? i.e. if
you immediately logged out and back in again should you see the same
message?

If you had several messages over the course of a number of days, would
you expect someone who logs in once a week to see all those messages or
just the most recent one?

Is plain old ASCII the best way to convey this information? Or would it
be nice if you could display e.g. HTML?

...

I do get that something along these lines would be useful for admins,
but it strikes me that some crufty old unix hacker designed /etc/motd
at least a couple of decades ago and perhaps we could put some thought
into how whether that design best meets a desktop admin's requirements?

Cheers,
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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Pat Suwalski
Mark McLoughlin wrote:
   What kind of information is it especially handy for? Perhaps when you
 upgrade the desktop and you want to warn people that stuff has changed?
 But not for stuff like internet will be down for a while today because
 people may not actually log out that often?

At a university, people will typically log in for 15 minutes, check
eMail, course sites, etc. Then they will log out and go to class or
lunch and come back and hour or two later.

In the Windows network at my school they actually fullscreen-mode IE to
show this sort of stuff. Extremely annoying. A notification-area message
would be infinitely better.

   Is login the best time to show this information or would you prefer if
 the user saw it immediately?

It might be nice to have GDM display this kind of information, polling
for changes to /etc/motd every minute or so instead.

   Would you expect each user to see this information only once? i.e. if
 you immediately logged out and back in again should you see the same
 message?

Sure, why not?

snip
   I do get that something along these lines would be useful for admins,
 but it strikes me that some crufty old unix hacker designed /etc/motd
 at least a couple of decades ago and perhaps we could put some thought
 into how whether that design best meets a desktop admin's requirements?

I think a very simple solution that is not overcomplicated (like
remembering which messages have been read, etc) is a good thing.
Anything more complicated is what eMail exists for.

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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 17:11 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
 On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 01:53 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
  quote who=Mark McLoughlin
  
 I the first thing worth discussing is why?. Why is it a good idea to
   show /etc/motd at login?
  
  It's very handy for sysadmins to display information to the user at login.
  I've used zenity and very bad gnome-session hacks for this in the past. Our
  audience of desktop systems administrators will appreciate the feature.
 
   What kind of information is it especially handy for? Perhaps when you
 upgrade the desktop and you want to warn people that stuff has changed?
 But not for stuff like internet will be down for a while today because
 people may not actually log out that often?
 
   Is login the best time to show this information or would you prefer if
 the user saw it immediately?
 
my patch listens for changes in /etc/motd, so whenever that changes,
logged in users would see the message.

   Would you expect each user to see this information only once? i.e. if
 you immediately logged out and back in again should you see the same
 message?
 
that is probably a problem, to show always the same message in systems
that have nothing interesting in that file. The problem is how to deal
with this?
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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 12:30 -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote:
  Is login the best time to show this information or would you prefer if
  the user saw it immediately?
 
 It might be nice to have GDM display this kind of information, polling
 for changes to /etc/motd every minute or so instead.
 
some admins put sensible info on /etc/moptd, so we might not want to
show it to anyone getting to the login screen. For that, /etc/issue
might be better suited, although that is of no use for most users.
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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 18:24, Rodrigo Moya wrote:

 that is probably a problem, to show always the same message in systems
 that have nothing interesting in that file. The problem is how to deal
 with this?

Have some [] Never show me this message again button which remembers
the last MOTD datestamp and annoys the user only when it changes.
The default should even be to *not* show the MOTD if it hasn't been
touched since install time.

Xav


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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 09:21 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
 It would be nice if it detects a change in the MOTD and notifies
 the user that it's changed (unless of course it already does that).

it already does that
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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 18:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
 Le mardi 04 octobre 2005 à 17:40 +0200, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
  Hi
  
  I have had this patch around for some time, and seems to work pretty
  well, so sending for comments and/or approval.
  
  It just makes gnome-session display the /etc/motd file on startup, using
  libnotify if available, or an ugly dialog if not. The 2 new files are to
  be placed in gnome-session/gnome-session
 
 Btw, there's a bug about this:
 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159604
 
 Just thought I'd mention it so we can (hopefully) close the bug at the
 end of the discussion ;-)

And Rodrigo can put his patch there as well :)

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Re: shared memory usage tool - exmap

2005-10-04 Thread John Berthels
On 04 Oct 2005 20:58:59 +0200, Soeren Sandmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 John Berthels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I guess I'm saying it may be worth a second look :-)

 Well, it locks up my system hard (2.6.12-1.1446_FC5, ie. Fedora
 rawhide from a while back which might explain it), but if it does what
 you say it does it would certainly be a very useful tool to have.

Yikes. I'll try and reproduce, (if I can easily set up an Fedora
system) At what point did it lock? Running 'exmap.pl'? Could you try a
'make test' with the module loaded and see if you get any failures?

Did you get a kernel lock/panic or just very high system load?

There can be a short (few seconds) delay on startup, as it scans
process and pages - I don't suppose it was that? Were you running a
locally built GNOME with unstripped binaries by any chance? Its
possible that the Elf symbol loading code is still active (but not
currently displayed) and consuming a lot of CPU in that case - I'll
take a look.

 Since I haven't seen it running, this may be irrelevant, but have you
 considered the approach of having the kernel module export an
 interface that would map any given pfn to a list of all its mappings?
 This would give an overview of how the physical RAM is actually shared
 by applications, rather than showing how an individual application is
 using physical RAM. (I think both ways of looking at memory would be
 useful).

That is the sort of approach taken. All readable processes are
examined, and the pfns correlated between them.

 For a given vma it might even be possible to tell whether the page had
 actually been added to the pagetable, or whether it was in the
 mapping, but not present in the pagetable.  (I am possibly revealing
 my limited understanding of virtual memory here).

 Having that information would allow us to do things like quantify the
 cost of having applications still using GtkCList: if only one
 application used GtkCList, you'd see the physical GtkCList pages
 mapped into all gtk2 applications, but only present in the pagetable
 for the CList-using application. Same thing for other rarely-used
 code, of course.

That is certainly within the remit of this tool. I'm working on
displaying symbols from shared libraries which are mapped (hence the
Elf code mentioned above) I've had that working in a previous version
and hope to add it back into the newer exmap version soon, hopefully
without the excessive CPU usage.

Thanks for trying things out. I'll try and reproduce your problems and
any further information gratefully received.

regards,

jb
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Re: gnome-utils patch

2005-10-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/4/05, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi

 Just found out a missing argument in a call to g_snprintf, in logview.
 Attached patch fixes it.

 Ok to commit?

Is bugzilla not working?  ;-)
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Re: gnome-utils patch

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:27 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
 On 10/4/05, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi
 
  Just found out a missing argument in a call to g_snprintf, in logview.
  Attached patch fixes it.
 
  Ok to commit?
 
 Is bugzilla not working?  ;-)

I guess it is, but usually it is much quicker to send the patch
directly, and when that doesn't work, add it to bugzilla :)
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Re: gnome-utils patch

2005-10-04 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 00:30 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
 On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:27 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
  On 10/4/05, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi
  
   Just found out a missing argument in a call to g_snprintf, in logview.
   Attached patch fixes it.
  
   Ok to commit?
  
  Is bugzilla not working?  ;-)
 
 I guess it is, but usually it is much quicker to send the patch
 directly, and when that doesn't work, add it to bugzilla :)

Do you really want everyone on this list to be sending patches to
applets, utilities, and applications in the Desktop release?

Put them in bugzilla, that's what it's there for.

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Re: gnome-utils patch

2005-10-04 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 23:35 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
 On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 00:30 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
  On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:27 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
   On 10/4/05, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
   
Just found out a missing argument in a call to g_snprintf, in logview.
Attached patch fixes it.
   
Ok to commit?
   
   Is bugzilla not working?  ;-)
  
  I guess it is, but usually it is much quicker to send the patch
  directly, and when that doesn't work, add it to bugzilla :)
 
 Do you really want everyone on this list to be sending patches to
 applets, utilities, and applications in the Desktop release?
 
 Put them in bugzilla, that's what it's there for.
 
ok, ok :)
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Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: MOTD implementation in gnome-session

2005-10-04 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:43:26PM +0200, Markus Jonsson wrote:
 What about when the system shuts down? Can I be informed about that? Can
 I be alerted and logged out in a nice way when someone else runs
 shutdown -h on the system?

If you're in this situation it's most likely not going to be at home and that a 
sysadmin is going to be doing the reboot.  In which case, I would hope he
would be using whatever communication method he has (like mail) to say
he wants to reboot the box.  

Or alternatively,

Some dork is trying to reboot the system, click if you agree it's okay to 
reboot?

Now how much trouble would that cause? :-)

sri
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