Re: Requesting UI Freeze break for gnome-panel and gnome-utils

2007-08-28 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 19:35 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: Can I apply the two patches? snip Clearly, something has to be done. I suppose our options are: 1) Just make the icon change 2) Put the old icons back somewhere snip I say we make the change. Due to Shaun being behind it

Re: Requesting UI Freeze break for gnome-panel and gnome-utils

2007-08-28 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 00:40 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaap Haitsma schrieb: Hi, The gnome-searchtool icon got removed from gnome-icon-theme because it got replaced by the system-search icon. Good to know. Deskbar-Applet uses

Re: Requesting UI Freeze break for gnome-panel and gnome-utils

2007-08-28 Thread Frederic Peters
Shaun McCance wrote: (I could see other uses of this, like finding all links to a User Guide section before we remove or rename it.) If you are interested I can probably get this information when building library.gnome.org. Frederic ___

Re: Requesting UI Freeze break for gnome-panel and gnome-utils

2007-08-28 Thread Kjartan Maraas
tir, 28.08.2007 kl. 10.55 -0500, skrev Shaun McCance: On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 00:40 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaap Haitsma schrieb: Hi, The gnome-searchtool icon got removed from gnome-icon-theme because it got replaced by

gedit-plugins branched for gnome 2.18

2007-08-28 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hello, gedit-plugins has just been branched. Gnome 2.20 development will happen in HEAD. Note that gedit-plugins is not part of the gnome release. Plans are to adapt gedit-plugins to the new gedit/gtksourceview API. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing

cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Looking for pointers to people working on the following or who have had ideas on the following. When doing create new account, use desktop from scratch tests, you quickly notice you're typing the same password a bunch of times (e.g. gmail in browser, gmail/calendar in bigboard, gtalk in

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Alan Cox
- have some mechanism for smart deductions, like I can guess you have an XMPP account that matches your google.com username/password - maybe this just has to be in the apps, not sure This needs some care. There are evils that lurk on the web side of this. One big one is that if a central

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 17:33 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: snip Anyway, I'm thinking about how to clean up the password-storage situation. Here is the current situation: - Pidgin just sticks passwords in plain text in app-specific XML files - Gossip does the same thing, plain text in XML

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Thanks for the bug links, those are helpful. Here are some questions I have about conventions for storing stuff in the keyring, which would be relevant to the Gossip bug (and future similar bug against Pidgin, etc.) - when do you use default/NULL vs. session keyring? (I think I've asked

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Alex Jones
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:56 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Gossip should really know better though: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343513 FWIW, Gajim uses the keyring. Which is nice. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Stef Walter
Havoc Pennington wrote: I forgot to mention taking the encrypted keyring blob and sticking it on a server somewhere, but (I think) that's an independent issue from getting everything to use the same keyring and same keyring entries. Well there are obviously security issues to this. Perhaps

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Stef Walter
Alan Cox wrote: I just started thinking about this today, so let me know what's missing. One of the things you can use the TPM for in a treacherous computing system is simply as a poor quality smart card. And for that matter working with a proper smart card is similar. Being able to share my

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Stef Walter
Havoc Pennington wrote: Anyway, I'm thinking about how to clean up the password-storage situation. Here is the current situation: - Pidgin just sticks passwords in plain text in app-specific XML files - Gossip does the same thing, plain text in XML files - Firefox has its whole own

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread David Zeuthen
Hi Havoc, Cleaning up and making more apps use the keyring is definitely a worthwhile effort in my mind. On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 17:33 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: - fix Firefox to use the keyring, or at least let apps query Firefox password manager storage - have some mechanism for smart

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 18:23 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Hi, Thanks for the bug links, those are helpful. Here are some questions I have about conventions for storing stuff in the keyring, which would be relevant to the Gossip bug (and future similar bug against Pidgin, etc.) snip I'm

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Stef Walter
Havoc Pennington wrote: - when do you use default/NULL vs. session keyring? (I think I've asked this before, but I forget) Use NULL (which automatically maps to the default keyring) when you don't care what keyring a password is stored in, but you want it stored for good. In many cases this

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, On 8/28/07, Stef Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Havoc Pennington wrote: I forgot to mention taking the encrypted keyring blob and sticking it on a server somewhere, but (I think) that's an independent issue from getting everything to use the same keyring and same keyring entries.

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, On 8/28/07, Stef Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - have some mechanism for smart deductions, like I can guess you have an XMPP account that matches your google.com username/password - maybe this just has to be in the apps, not sure Along with what Alan said, pushing this too far down

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, On 8/28/07, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure anyone's really thought of the conventions behind using each field for something specific. You'd need to ask Alex, he wrote it after all :) I am hoping he'll read the thread ;-) Ideally I think we'd allow Gossip and

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
the one thing that drives me nuts about gmail is that it doesn't default to reply all... On 8/28/07, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 8/28/07, Stef Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what you're really talking about is storing the concept of an 'account' with all related

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 18:48 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: The functionality I'm after is the same thing we already have for online.gnome.org, where if you are logged in to the web site, then the desktop can use the same cookie to sign on to the XMPP server. If cookies are all you want, then

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, On 8/28/07, David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One important thing about the gnome-keyring prompts is that they display information the user should be able to trust / understand. Things like that App X is trying to use the key stored by App Y. [1] Yeah. I'm not sure these dialogs make

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
resend to list... On 8/28/07, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 8/28/07, David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 18:48 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: The functionality I'm after is the same thing we already have for online.gnome.org, where if you

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Alan Cox
Exactly, yep. I can write some simple spec up, but first I want to understand all the current thinking (so far it sounds like there's a pretty blank slate for spec'ing this out) You might want to have a chat with Dave Howells at Red Hat as well. Dave did the Linux kernel side key management

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 19:08 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: A better approach, for example, would be to have selinux or signatures or something such that apps that come with the OS are automatically trusted and the dialog or other obscure procedure only arises for third-party apps. Then people

Documents on the Online Desktop

2007-08-28 Thread Steven Garrity
A quick thought about the Online Desktop effort. I've started using the spreadsheets and documents of Google Docs lately and it has really started to change the way I think about documents. The elegant simplicity of the revision management and collaboration of editing a Google Document with a