On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org wrote:
On 08/01/2011 12:11 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
lately I've feeling that there's a lot of dissatisfaction
with GNOME 3.
I feel this is highly suggestive. Besides we knew 3.0 was a DOT ZERO
release. GNOME needed the
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:11:34PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Many of these are
Hi,
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
responders of this survey say GNOME has too few options, nothing would
be done? Is there *any* kind of evidence that would convince GNOME ppl
that users want more
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 11:00 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31,
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
responders of this survey say GNOME has too few options, nothing would
be done? Is there *any*
That was surely intended to the list.
Original Message
Subject: Re: GNOME user survey 2011
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:33:34 +
From: GSO gso...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org
How about an applet linking to a user feedback forum and/or
questionnaire etc. A
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 11:00 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
What are your
plans to make sure people unhappy with GNOME are not over represented
in the poll results?
Publicize the survey as much as possible.
So what? This is not how real-life polls work.
Would you like to rephrase the survey to
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote:
[...]
That said, if you get:
40% users answered 'Too many options'
10% users answered 'just enough'
50% users answered 'few options'
But what if you
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org
wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
responders of this survey say GNOME has
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
Would you like to rephrase the survey to don't assume the respondent
is using GNOME, and then ask this question?
== Which desktop environment are you currently using?
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org
wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
I other words, you are saying that it
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
Given the kind of questions, it's bound to
attract answers from people who want more options, and I don't think
how we can go from N% of the people who took the survey said they
wanted more options to M% of *all* G3 users want more options.
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any
number will have statistical power greater than that.
See, you start implying that whatever we do, the numbers will have
statistical significance (aka science aka hard
On 1 August 2011 11:20, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org wrote:
Once again, I think things will go this way, we run the poll, maybe 1%
of gnome users answer, N% of these respondants answer X, and then
we'll get people saying N% of GNOME users want X, upstream ignore
their users!
To upstream
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer not at
all, or somewhat, then the survey would be a bit wasted, since now
you have to wait another year to ask in more detail.
Of course the same argument applies if a significant
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer not at
all, or somewhat, then the survey would be a bit wasted, since now
you have to wait another year to
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 August 2011 11:20, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org wrote:
Once again, I think things will go this way, we run the poll, maybe 1%
of gnome users answer, N% of these respondants answer X, and then
we'll get people
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any
number will have statistical power greater than that.
See, you start implying that whatever we do,
(snipping a lot)
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:45:11PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any
number will have statistical power greater
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
But what if you get:
2% users answered 'Too many options'
10% users answered 'just enough'
88% users answered 'few options'
I repeat, the worst that could happen is that the results of the
question don't provide any value, so you
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org
wrote:
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer not at
all, or somewhat, then the survey would
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:24:35AM -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
That is still not useful information. Developers aren't going
to add options for the sake of adding options. Users want
more options? I guess I better hunt through my program to see
what I can make configurable. That's absurd.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
But what if you get:
2% users answered 'Too many options'
10% users answered 'just enough'
88% users answered 'few options'
I repeat, the worst that could happen
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Luca Bruno lethalma...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:24:35AM -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
That is still not useful information. Developers aren't going
to add options for the sake of adding options. Users want
more options? I guess I better hunt
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 14:33, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
But what if you get:
2% users answered 'Too many options'
10% users answered 'just
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
Do the majority of GNOME developers agree that there are too few options?
No.
Florian
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On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
But what if you get:
2% users answered 'Too many options'
10% users answered 'just enough'
88%
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 15:12 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
Thank you for your feedback on JHBuild. I want JHBuild to just work. I
want it to be easy to create a GNOME sandbox.
* I think we need to work on our setup process; if you get jhbuild
installed, typing jhbuild produces:
jhbuild:
Hello Ben,
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 20:21 +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote:
To all concerned developers,
As you may or may not be aware, the name System Settings for an
application is currently in use by KDE. A recent renaming by your
GNOME control center developers to this name creates a naming
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:40:52PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
And there's many things you can do if you realize people desperately
need more options; like enabling votes in bugzilla, a poll, an
ideatorrent, etc.
This all seems very focussed on anything via internet and users who care
a
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
(snipping a lot)
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:45:11PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On
What are you actually trying to understand ?
If there are tradeoffs (and consensus that the tradeoff is real) then you
can ask questions where you rate relative importance of features in
various combinations It's often used to weight things like
price/screensize, screensize/battery life, battery
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
But what if you get:
2% users
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 17:32 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21
Hi Felipe!
If you don't agree that options are missing, then what's the point of
skipping the question, and going directly to ask what they would
change? (which I don't see how it can be done in this survey anyway).
First I would like to try to identify the need for change, if any.
*I* am
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Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
To me, the criterion for success is that someone can start from scratch,
without knowing much about Linux development and have a working build
within an hour or so, without having to babysit it. Any sort of
babysitting makes things much longer for
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:02 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
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The Committee for Internet Discussions and Heated Arguments (TCFIDAH)
would like to announce that we have decided to give out one of our most
coveted awards.
So let it be known we would like to give Felipe Contreras
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:02 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
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Not helpful for the discussion. Or in other words: Be respectful and
considerate, taken from
Hi,
After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
proposed survey.
There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
to avoid some of the initial negative feedback of 3.0, I guess. If
this is delayed for 3.2, perhaps there could be a small piece of
It doesn't tell you much about the environment
Are you using it on
Desktop
Laptop
Netbook
Tablet
and perhaps a question about skill levels/years of computing experience.
That might help understand which user categories want changes. Eg it's
assumed that most of
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Hi,
After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
proposed survey.
There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
to avoid some of the initial negative feedback of 3.0, I guess. If
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
proposed survey.
There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
to avoid some of the initial negative
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 18:35, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Hi,
After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
proposed survey.
There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
to avoid some of the initial negative
Hi,
In the past few months, Colin reworked the gnome-menus API to bring
various improvements. The most visible part is that the menu entries are
now based on GDesktopAppInfo, and that we now have real introspection
support. You can see some of the discussion at
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:35, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
proposed survey.
Surveys require careful consideration of the phrasing of questions and
careful consideration of the selection bias of
So...
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti lferr...@gnome.org wrote:
I remember it was suggested to gtk+ maintainers to use intltool, but
they refused (but I could be wrong and I totally forgot their
reasons). However it seems to me the simplest (i.e. less work)
solution :)
Does
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:40 +0800, Frederic Muller wrote:
I agree that we still need to talk about how to get the survey to most
people and what's the best way to attract a representative part of the
GNOME user base. Thinking out loud here, I wonder what could be done to
get distributions
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