Re: Generating .gitignore files

2009-04-20 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Behdad Esfahbod wrote: The idea is that .gitignore files are autogenerated and are NOT stored in the repository. To use, just copy git.mk into your toplevel, add it to git, run make -f git.mk and commit all changes it makes to your tree... If the generated .gitignore is not meant to be

Re: gnomeweb-wml pushes not causing website updates. missing a hook?

2009-04-20 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 13:19 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 22:44 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: Hi, Not really sure where to direct this, but I made an update to the Tomboy website 3 hours ago:

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hey, I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in http://live.gnome.org/Git/ChangeLog to only generate ChangeLog for make dist. I wonder what

Re: gnomeweb-wml pushes not causing website updates. missing a hook?

2009-04-20 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 23:58 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 13:19 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 22:44 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: Hi, Not really sure where to direct this,

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emmanuele Bassi schrieb: no need to Cc me in: I'm subscribe to d-d-l. On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 16:02 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: what do applets provide, nowadays, and are they even remotely useful? what can deskbar-applet provide that

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matteo Settenvini schrieb: Just to give some ideas * do applets need to be in the panel No, and that's why Superkaramba - KDE, Google and Microsoft have come up with on-screen widgets, which may be the solution ebassi is searching for? I

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Owen Taylor schrieb: [...] The last thing I'll mention here is that I don't think we should be overly concerned with porting and applet parity. If there was no system monitor applet in GNOME 3.0, life would go on. What we should be concerned

Re: librsvg api

2009-04-20 Thread Stefan Kost
Kalle Vahlman schrieb: 2009/4/17 Stefan Kost enso...@hora-obscura.de: hi, I am using librsvg to get pixbufs for my app. I could not find a dedicated list, for it, hope this one is okay. First I am using deprecated api: rsvg_pixbuf_from_file_at_size as when using

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hey, I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/20/2009 09:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hey, I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on demand. Those macros have been modified and

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On 04/20/2009 09:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hey, I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On 04/20/2009 09:02 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:48 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 21:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hey, I first wrote Makefile.am magic for

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/20/2009 10:00 AM, Dan Winship wrote: Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and which are small. Well, I don't really disagree that its nice to know. However, all such info

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and which are small. Well, I don't really disagree that its nice to know. However, all such info is readily availible in git Right.

Re: Generating .gitignore files

2009-04-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/20/2009 02:34 AM, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Behdad Esfahbod wrote: The idea is that .gitignore files are autogenerated and are NOT stored in the repository. To use, just copy git.mk into your toplevel, add it to git, run make -f git.mk and commit all changes it makes to your tree... If the

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Crack === Brightness applet Inhibit Applet There will be often differences in opionions. I, for one, use above two applets very often. First, because changing brightness keyboard shortcut require two hands on my laptop, but

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:00 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and which are small. Well, I don't really disagree that its nice to know.

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:00 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: Here's something to generate a fairly traditional-looking ChangeLog (though working on the assumption that you're doing the subject vs body split in your git commit messages): git log --date=short

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Owen Taylor
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 16:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Crack === Brightness applet Inhibit Applet There will be often differences in opionions. I, for one, use above two applets very often. First, because changing

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: [...] So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need more information than NEWS gives, but who would not want to actually check out

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Ruben Vermeersch
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 11:20 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: [...] So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need more

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Philip Withnall
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:02 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Could we get the ChangeLog generation added as a macro to gnome-common? There's a bug for it, but no apparent activity (yet): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579279 Philip That would make it easier, and more consistent. We

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Ruben Vermeersch ru...@savanne.be wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 11:20 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: [...] So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Brian Cameron
Emmanuele: we've been changing the platform gradually over the years, mostly by deprecating stuff and including new functionality. nevertheless, I haven't heard a single justification for the continued existence of applets. I wonder how this fits in with the gdesklets project, if at all. I

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: [...] So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need more information than NEWS gives, but who would not

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen real estate. But to a heavy note-taking person, it's just really convenient. Except that Tomboy using a status icon in the

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Hubert Figuiere h...@figuiere.net wrote: On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access your notes.  You think of it as wasting valuable screen real estate.  But to a heavy note-taking person, it's just

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:24:38PM -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen real estate. But to a heavy note-taking person, it's just really

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/20/2009 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:24:38PM -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: On 04/19/2009 05:38 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: The Tomboy applet is an extremely convenient way to access your notes. You think of it as wasting valuable screen real estate. But to a

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:58 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need more information than NEWS gives, but who would not want to actually check out the source tree,

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/20/2009 12:45 PM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:58 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need more information than NEWS gives, but who

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 12:17 -0400, Dan Winship a écrit : Who are these people who read ChangeLog Hi, The ChangeLog are quite handy for distribution packages, they have a list of the changes you can look at quickly and the closed bug numbers. Usually NEWS summary are either not there or

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: On 04/20/2009 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:   Not the same. Fitts' law. Having Tomboy applet in border of screen makes it crazy big target to hit with mouse, which is good. Notification icon is many times harder to hit.

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 12:17 -0400, Dan Winship a écrit : Who are these people who read ChangeLog Hi, The ChangeLog are quite handy for distribution packages, they have a list of the changes you can look at quickly

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Germán Póo-Caamaño
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 12:17 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: [...] So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Stefan Kost
Brian Cameron schrieb: Emmanuele: we've been changing the platform gradually over the years, mostly by deprecating stuff and including new functionality. nevertheless, I haven't heard a single justification for the continued existence of applets. I wonder how this fits in with the

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:37 -0400, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: But that's just a gut feeling and maybe it's wrong. The point is, ChangeLogs were invented back when RCS-files-on-an-NFS-server was the pinnacle of version control technology, and maybe what was most useful then isn't what's

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-20 Thread Luca Ferretti
2009/4/19 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 23:26 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: Fortunately Ubuntu is yet experimenting on alternate, ephimeral notifications ;) that has nothing to do with applets, gadgets/widgets/desktlets/whatever and resident application. I've a

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Jud Craft
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 16:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: One man's crack is another's basic functionality. Note that Crack was in quotes. I think it's

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
2009/4/20 Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com: The last thing I'll mention here is that I don't think we should be overly concerned with porting and applet parity. If there was no system monitor applet in GNOME 3.0, life would go on. What we should be concerned about is creating the ecosystem where

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread William Jon McCann
Hey Owen, The main open question for gnome-shell is not how to implement them. It's the user interface question. And when we look at the user interface question I think the label applet is a bit deceptive. We have all sort of different things that are applets, and their only commonality is

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Dylan McCall
Applets in general are broken because they are no different in functionality from regular applications, or from each other (in terms of desklets vs panel applets vs. the notification area). Many applets are applets because they have very small, simple interfaces; too small to justify having big

Re: Bumping required version of DeviceKit-power to 007

2009-04-20 Thread Vincent Untz
Le samedi 18 avril 2009, à 10:03 +0100, Richard Hughes a écrit : Can I bump the external dependencies version of DeviceKit-power from 006 to 007 for 2.27.x please? 007 was released a few weeks ago, and fixes many bugs I don't want to work around in gnome-power-manager anymore. Sounds good.

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Cody Russell
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 22:23 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in http://live.gnome.org/Git/ChangeLog to only generate ChangeLog for make dist. I wonder what

Re: How to remove remote branch with git?

2009-04-20 Thread Vincent Untz
Le samedi 18 avril 2009, à 22:28 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: I just did my first commit with git (Yay!!). However I first made a mistake and made a new remote branch called jaap in the cheese project. I now want to remove that branch because it was a mistake.

Re: Adding module descriptions

2009-04-20 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 17 avril 2009, à 11:46 -0400, Owen Taylor a écrit : B) Drop MAINTAINERS and move the information to the DOAP file. (There would be some sort of transition period where we would support both.) I like B) better; I'd rather one file than a collection of little files.

Re: Adding module descriptions

2009-04-20 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 17 avril 2009, à 20:55 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : The point is deps are not changed at random, the person merging code changes is the best person to update build deps. This is unfortunately not something you can always find in ChangeLog/NEWS. What about reminding maintainers

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Travis Watkins
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: Similarly, all sorts of applications choose to hide within the notification area because they want to stay out of the user's way and window managers fail to provide the necessary functionality themselves. Thus, they