Re: Translation commits pushed when rolling a tarball

2014-08-04 Thread Dan Winship
On 08/03/2014 03:38 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: - Make a whole bunch of changes all at once, some of which are related to X, some to Y, some to Z, and some to more than one of them, and without any indication of which changes relate to which commit so no one in the future will

Re: Translation commits pushed when rolling a tarball

2014-08-03 Thread Dan Winship
On 08/02/2014 10:38 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: If I use git correctly and push the *merge*, however, then my original work is preserved. Someone later trying to work out what happened has actually got a correct version of history to refer back to, and the problem can be correctly tracked down

Re: New GnomeGoal proposal: InstalledTests

2013-04-26 Thread Dan Winship
On 04/26/2013 10:12 AM, Colin Walters wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 08:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: You are not going to get me to buy eagerly into a new installed tests scheme for glib if it means that I have to give up make check. Well, would you be OK with: $ jhbuild make $

Re: New GnomeGoal proposal: InstalledTests

2013-04-25 Thread Dan Winship
On 04/25/2013 10:21 AM, Colin Walters wrote: See: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/InstalledTests Installed tests go in /usr/bin/testname-installed-test. That seems unnecessary, since they're not run as part of ordinary system operation, and it will pollute autocompletion. I think it would

Re: Possible to fix glaring Gjs API issues before GNOME 4?

2013-02-28 Thread Dan Winship
On 02/27/2013 08:26 PM, Nikita Churaev wrote: Introspection developers have already introduced (skip) mark for such return values, but they won't add it to existing API to avoid backwards incompatibility. What about adding (skip2) mark that only Gjs will use and replace it to (skip) when GNOME

Re: -Werror considered harmful

2013-02-26 Thread Dan Winship
On 02/26/2013 02:39 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: In file included from ../../../glib/libcharset/localcharset.c:28: /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/4.2.1-sjlj/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/include/stdio.h:372: error: no previous prototype for 'getc' This is a bug in whatever version of mingw you are

Re: GNOME 3.6 Blocker Report (T-16d)

2012-09-08 Thread Dan Winship
On 09/08/2012 04:20 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: - libsecret migration I thought that wasn't a blocker for 3.6? LIBSOUP === - drop SoupPasswordManagerGNOME https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679866 Related to the libsecret migration. That's not intended for 3.6.

Re: compiler warnings, -Werror, etc.

2012-07-28 Thread Dan Winship
On 07/28/2012 08:58 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote: Second, I don't think you are the right person to determine which warnings are or are not important. Apparently the GCC developers think otherwise and I frankly trust them more than I trust you. By that logic, you should never pass any extra -W

Re: Using Bugzilla for freeze break requests?

2011-09-23 Thread Dan Winship
On 09/23/2011 07:58 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: I think that will add too much burden on the people who have to approve? I don't track RSS at all. Release-team gets a lot of freeze breaks and I want to be notified immediately, not after a delay. I need to see the comments that other teams make

Re: GNOME 3.1.90 beta released!

2011-09-01 Thread Dan Winship
On 09/01/2011 11:06 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: I just want to be clear for the docs. What is the behavior of each of these two buttons? And doing something on long-press is just the goal, but not actually implemented for 3.2? Long-press on power button immediately cuts power to the machine, and

Re: 3.2: gjs/seed

2011-04-21 Thread Dan Winship
On 04/20/2011 07:12 PM, Colin Walters wrote: 4) While I know some GNOME contributors here don't like Mozilla, in the big picture their mission and culture is *MUCH* more aligned with ours than Apple, at least But: (a) WebKit is probably the least Apple-like thing that Apple does (b)

Re: Libtool versioning made easy (was Re: Converting libraries andpluginsto use gtk3

2010-07-01 Thread Dan Winship
On 07/01/2010 04:15 AM, Steve Frécinaux wrote: VERSION=2.22.5 LAST_INTERFACE_CHANGE=2.22.0 LAST_INTERFACE_BREAK=2.20.0 I like this (though I think you'll need a few more variables to make this be able to pick up where the version numbers from the previous system left off). On 06/30/2010 11:25

Re: Do we have a GNOME OID?

2010-05-07 Thread Dan Winship
On 05/07/2010 09:12 AM, Stef Walter wrote: On 2010-05-07 03:00, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 09:36:22PM -0500, Stef Walter wrote: Does anyone know if we have a GNOME OID, whether allocated through IANA directly or through another private.enterprise? You mean 1.3.6.1.4.1.3319 ?

Re: Re: External Dependency Proposal: libappindicator

2010-05-06 Thread Dan Winship
belatedly... On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:42:02, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:42:58PM -0600, Ted Gould wrote: Q: Does this fit the the design goals for GNOME Shell? A: I can't speak for the designers of GNOME Shell but they've talked about how the top panel should behave like a

Re: On Ctrl+tab

2010-01-13 Thread Dan Winship
On 01/13/2010 07:47 AM, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno dom, 22/11/2009 alle 16.32 -0800, Sandy Armstrong ha scritto: Most users I've spoken to about this prefer ctrl+tab because it is similar to alt+tab, and can be invoked with only the left hand. Ctrl+PgUp/Down can be invoked with only

libsoup branched for 2.28

2009-11-21 Thread Dan Winship
I branched libsoup for 2.28. Also, I support the recommendation to stop requiring branch announcements. -- Dan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Module proposal: dconf

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Winship
On 10/14/2009 05:24 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 13.10.2009 22:42, Dan Winship napsal(a): OMG ITS TEH WINDOWS REGISTRY!!!1!1II|! IF ANY APP WRITES A SINGLE BYTE WRONG THEN ALL OF YOUR APPS WILL BREAK AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO LOG IN ANY MORE +1 :) People who are not able to learn from

Re: Module proposal: dconf

2009-10-13 Thread Dan Winship
On 10/13/2009 10:17 AM, Ryan Lortie wrote: login / app launch across tens of tiny files, and that the authoritative data store is somewhat human readable ? :-) yes and yes (but probably you meant no). Data is in a single file, and humans can read it with the right tools. 'cat' is not one

Re: GConf schemas in deprecated libraries

2009-08-04 Thread Dan Winship
On 08/04/2009 06:16 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 23:15 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Hi, I've reported bug 590774[1] against gnome-terminal. The problem is that it reads some defaults (monospace font) from GConf, but that schema is provided by libgnome. Since

Re: Trying a new toolbar style

2009-07-29 Thread Dan Winship
On 07/29/2009 09:51 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hmm, yes that definitely looks different than I expected. I am not entirely sure though if it makes sense to have labels in the toolbar at all because it would be way better if icons would be self-explaining. Right. The idea isn't label the

Re: GNOME and non-linux platforms (release team please stand up)

2009-07-22 Thread Dan Winship
On 07/22/2009 02:21 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schallerura...@gnome.org wrote: So I would like to ask the GNOME release team to please come forward and clearly state that the future of GNOME is to be a linux desktop system as

Re: dependable libwnck

2009-07-15 Thread Dan Winship
On 07/15/2009 04:41 AM, Richard Henwood wrote: Hi folks, I'm developing an application which current has 'libwnck' as the only external dependency which is not part of the Gnome dependable dependencies as listed on: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/ExternalDependencies As

Re: gnome-games requires clutter 0.9.x

2009-05-04 Thread Dan Winship
Kjartan Maraas wrote: Time to move forward for everyone? Anyone else using clutter and thus need to port to the new version first? It's up to whoever is using it. 0.8 and 1.0 are co-installable. I got the impression the only other user was gnome-shell. gnome-shell developers are you ok with

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 09:06 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: I like the more verbose format clearly showing which changes are big and which are small. Well, I don't really disagree that its nice to know. However, all such info is readily availible in git Right.

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:00 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: Here's something to generate a fairly traditional-looking ChangeLog (though working on the assumption that you're doing the subject vs body split in your git commit messages): git log --date=short --pretty=format

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: [...] So, actually, what exactly IS the use case of ChangeLog if there is git history on one end and NEWS on the other? Who are the people who need more information than NEWS gives, but who would

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-19 Thread Dan Winship
Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Cons: - Have to modify autogen.sh to create an empty ChangeLog, or pass the foreign flag to automake We really ought to be passing foreign anyway. No one benefits from having people be forced to create 0-length README files. (And if we want to say but people should

Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

2009-04-19 Thread Dan Winship
Luca Ferretti wrote: I think that applets developers are legitimate to be worried about their own efforts, the only reference in gnome-shell stuff is Design an applet/add-on system in Open Design Question. The original hackfest writeup

Re: Adding module descriptions

2009-04-17 Thread Dan Winship
Owen Taylor wrote: Thanks to Shaun McCance there's no need to worry about how to create a DOAP file, just find your module in: http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/pulse/web/ And select the Download DOAP template file link to get a DOAP file for your module that you can then edit as necessary.

Re: libsoup branched for 2.26

2009-04-15 Thread Dan Winship
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Hi Dan, Dan Winship wrote: Plans for 2.28 are not nailed down, but are mostly being driven by WebKit at this point (with bug reports, feature requests, and patches coming from both the Epiphany and Midori developers). Features currently in progress include

libsoup branched for 2.26

2009-04-14 Thread Dan Winship
I branched libsoup for 2.26 and updated jhbuild. Plans for 2.28 are not nailed down, but are mostly being driven by WebKit at this point (with bug reports, feature requests, and patches coming from both the Epiphany and Midori developers). Features currently in progress include better

Re: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the Platform.

2009-04-02 Thread Dan Winship
Cosimo Cecchi wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:20 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: * Still to discuss: dconf vs gconf. This is not yet covered by this plan, but crucial to discuss (as gconf depends on Bonobo) There is gconf-dbus, the long-standing port of GConf to DBus that Imendio

Re: Help with strings for solution for desktop file virus problem

2009-02-20 Thread Dan Winship
Alexander Larsson wrote: So, there has been a lot of attention on the internets recently about the the desktop file virus issue. I think its all pretty overblown, and any solution we have that doesn't completely neuter the feature will just involve users learning to work around the issue in

Re: [URGENT] wrong gconf key description in gnome-session

2009-02-13 Thread Dan Winship
Ghee Teo wrote: Dan Winship wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: Sounds fine to me to change the wrong key name. But is the description factually true ? The last time I checked, gnome-session would not bring nautilus back when I killed it, until I added the autorestart key to the nautilus

Re: [URGENT] wrong gconf key description in gnome-session

2009-02-13 Thread Dan Winship
Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno ven, 13/02/2009 alle 09.14 -0500, Dan Winship ha scritto: No, gets restarted automatically if it exits and gets started when you log in even if it's not part of the session are completely independent, and the problem was that the required-components key

Re: [URGENT] wrong gconf key description in gnome-session

2009-02-12 Thread Dan Winship
Matthias Clasen wrote: Sounds fine to me to change the wrong key name. But is the description factually true ? The last time I checked, gnome-session would not bring nautilus back when I killed it, until I added the autorestart key to the nautilus desktop file. It's poorly-worded. It's

Re: quo vadis, docs

2009-02-09 Thread Dan Winship
Dave Neary wrote: - Should we just ditch the docs and declare the UI self-explanatory ? Definitely not. Why not? Seems like no one has ever bothered to file bug reports about the fact that they're wrong... Maybe there are as few people reading the docs as there are writing them. In a

Re: quo vadis, docs

2009-02-09 Thread Dan Winship
Natan Yellin wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org mailto:d...@gnome.org wrote: Maybe there are as few people reading the docs as there are writing them. In a corporate setting, people will call their help desk when they have problems, and in a home

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-05 Thread Dan Winship
Emmanuele Bassi wrote: [0] I'm reasonably sure it has some. not as the one proposed to avoid pissing off somebody somewhere because we want to be inclusive -- no, lemme rephrase that: we are *fucking afraid of committment*. seriously: an abstraction over DVCS? what have we become? are we

Re: libproxy as external dependency

2008-12-18 Thread Dan Winship
Michael Banck wrote: FYI, a member of the Debian security team raised concerns: WPAD is a broken protocol with security issues inherent to the DNS devolution mechanism (which is also performed by libproxy). Please don't add implementations to the Debian archive.

Re: GNOME-panel, more precisely GNOME-clock issues

2008-10-30 Thread Dan Winship
Bastien Nocera wrote: All the changes you mention were already part of GNOME 2.22. I agree that the add location dialogue might be a bit complicated, but you certainly don't need to add longitude and latitude by hand... Adding locations got improved in 2.24, but unfortunately the new UI is

Re: GNOME-panel, more precisely GNOME-clock issues

2008-10-30 Thread Dan Winship
Bastien Nocera wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 22:43 +0530, shirish wrote: Now what code should be put up there? a METAR/Airport code. http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/stations.txt tells me that for Pune, it's VAPO. But that station is inactive, so adding it won't actually help. (If

Re: Prototyping the next generation panel?

2008-10-28 Thread Dan Winship
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Red October seems appropriate as the project will eventually surrender itself for reimplementation ;) Red October GNOME? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/1999-October/msg00020.html -- Dan ___

Re: DVCS

2008-10-28 Thread Dan Winship
Mikael Hallendal wrote: Translations is often brought up as a tricky part for this, can we handle them in a way where they are agnostic to the VCS system the modules happen to be in. We already have a lot of the logic; if you've got jhbuild set up, jhbuild update MODULENAME will check out any

Re: libproxy as external dependency

2008-10-26 Thread Dan Winship
Felipe Contreras wrote: There's also: 4. Do the actual proxified communication Who is supposed to add the SOCKS 4/5 headers and HTTP proxy stuff? I don't think libsoup (an HTTP library) is supposed to do that, since other protocols will need to do the same (IRC, FTP, etc). SOCKS will

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Dan Winship
Vincent Untz wrote: Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008, à 14:38 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : Bastien already wrote about Fedora policy, httpd is disabled by default. I know that Debian policy is to consider that the user installing a server wants it to be started. From what I read of Patryk,

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Dan Winship
Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: 2008-10-23 klockan 16:14 skrev Patryk Zawadzki: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. Any plans on making it work without pushing Apache HTTPd onto desktops? A small

libsoup branched for 2.24

2008-09-29 Thread Dan Winship
I branched libsoup for 2.24. (Actually, I did this last week and just never sent mail.) Someone already updated jhbuild. Not cc'ing docs and i18n since libsoup has neither. Plans for 2.26: unclear. The burst of activity around libsoup+webkit+epiphany last spring that then quickly died out seems

Re: Window managers and their desktop files

2008-09-15 Thread Dan Winship
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Dan Winship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The basic format of the desktop entry file requires that there be a group header named Desktop Entry. There may be other groups present in the file... There should be nothing preceding

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead o f

2008-06-13 Thread Dan Winship
Alan Cox wrote: GTK/Glib are not the biggest problem here. You also use C library functions in Gnome applications. Glib/Gtk+ works with the C library in C locale simply because ASCII is a subset of UTF-8. That ceases to work the moment you introduce UTF-8 bytesequences into non utf-8 locales.

Re: help needed with non-US time zones for clock applet

2008-04-14 Thread Dan Winship
Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 12:05 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: - Mexico: 8 timezones, many locations, not divided into states, so I didn't even try sorting them out. Everything got America/Mexico_City Fixed all of Mexico (added states and capitals

Re: help needed with non-US time zones for clock applet

2008-04-08 Thread Dan Winship
Lucas Rocha wrote: Hi Dan, 2008/4/7, Dan Winship [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Brazil: /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab lists 15 zones. I did not even bother trying to figure them out, and assigned the whole country to America/Sao_Paulo. There are 4 timezones in Brazil. Have a look

Re: Tomboy replacement

2008-02-22 Thread Dan Winship
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:39:57PM +, Ross Burton wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 15:15 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:26:55PM -0800, Peter Gordon wrote: Using childlish references (such as M$ and Microvell) is immature and

libsoup-2.4 branch merged to trunk

2008-01-15 Thread Dan Winship
I've just merged the libsoup-2.4 branch to svn trunk. This is a big API break that fixes a ton of problems with libsoup. Coming soon: new features! Language bindings! I've filed bugs in bugzilla with patches for bug-buddy, evolution, evolution-data-server, evolution-exchange, evolution-webcal,

Re: how to take screenshots of cheese

2008-01-15 Thread Dan Winship
Alan wrote: Hoping I'm not stating the obvious, but a GNOME? Maybe borrow a garden gnome from the neighbors if you don't have one? :) And then, after taking its picture, mail it to someone else on the docs team who lives in another country so they can take a picture too... -- Dan

Re: Replacement for GNet

2007-12-24 Thread Dan Winship
Piotr Gaczkowski wrote: Hi! I am interested if somebody is currently working on a GNet-like library based on GObject? The gvfs ftp backend is going to need sockets/tcp/dns/etc support, but gio doesn't currently provide anything there and I'm not sure what the plan is for that... Anyway,

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-27 Thread Dan Winship
Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 10:05 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: H Can you check out http://live.gnome.org/LibSoup/DesktopWideHttp and see if there's anything missing? This looks good overall. Are there any libsoup python bindings? No, no one has ever asked about doing

libsoup branched for 2.20

2007-09-14 Thread Dan Winship
I branched libsoup for 2.20 and updated jhbuild. Note that there has not been a libsoup release since 2.18 went out, due to a blocker in HEAD, and so the 2.20 branch is branched from the same point as the 2.18 branch, even though there are additional fixes in HEAD (which will eventually see

Re: Any suggestions for what to use as key - value database in gnome-keyring?

2007-04-30 Thread Dan Winship
Andrew Cowie wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 05:16 +, Nate Nielsen wrote: I was put off by the fact that Evolution, NSS, and many other projects have Berkeley DB as part of their source rather than depending on it as a library. Anyone with inside know if this is due to incompatibilities

Re: Do you use multiple gnome-keyring keyrings?

2007-04-10 Thread Dan Winship
Nate Nielsen wrote: I'm also looking forward to the possibility of including SSH agent functionality in gnome-keyring (similar to how Mac OS X KeyChain works) which again, would need a single key store (in ~/.ssh), with private keys encrypted by the gnome-keyring 'master password'. Hm... I'm

libsoup branched for 2.18

2007-03-12 Thread Dan Winship
I've branched libsoup for gnome-2-18. You know the drill. (Not cc:ing docs or i18n lists because libsoup has neither.) Plans for 2.20? Well, maybe I'll finally do the long-awaited ABI break I originally claimed I was going to do for 2.14.[1] Or maybe not. People who are using libsoup (or who

Re: gnome-vfs-2.17.91 hard dependency on gnome-mime-data

2007-02-28 Thread Dan Winship
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 09:30 +0100, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:54 +0100, Fryderyk Dziarmagowski wrote: You can safely remove PKG check from configure and build g-vfs without smallest problems. You can even run all major GNOME apps without it. Forcing people to use

Re: Remove libgnomeui where possible?

2007-01-30 Thread Dan Winship
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 10:16 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: - Ripping out libgnomeui is probably a good idea anyway regardless of application startup time, if only to put more distance between modern app developers and stale, old, depricated widgets/code pet-peeveThere is no i

Re: Subversion migration finished

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Winship
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 10:33 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: It would be nice if CVS were at least able to be used read-only, so that those of us with changes in our local trees, can ensure that we're up to date with the final point of CVS, and can generate diffs to apply against SVN when migrating

Re: Replacing control center menus

2006-12-13 Thread Dan Winship
On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 13:36 +, Calum Benson wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 14:51 -0700, Scott Reeves wrote: I find the filter feature significantly helps with the “too many capplets” issue. One strength of the new shell is it dynamically displays the filtered list of choices as you type

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Dan Winship
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 21:26 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: First to clarify, tracker is not a dedicated indexer (like Beagle and Strigi) but is first and foremost a database which has indexing as a side feature. Are there any *currently existing* GNOME applications that make use of tracker's

Re: Notes on the Metacity compositor

2006-10-23 Thread Dan Winship
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 17:54 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Owen was showing me FC6 this morning, and it does seem to work out nicely having metacity handle the old video hardware and compiz handle the new, with a simple toggle between them. The only real glitch in it was that compiz uses

Re: Notes on the Metacity compositor

2006-10-23 Thread Dan Winship
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 18:32 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Dan Winship wrote: If compiz used workspaces instead of viewports, you wouldn't be able to have a window wrapped around an edge of the cube and thus partially visible on two different sides. Just not true, afaik - that's what I

Re: Beagle hackfest at GNOME Summit

2006-10-12 Thread Dan Winship
Joe Shaw wrote: Here's a quick rundown of the things people decided to work on: * Dan Winship - As a broader goal desktop goal, decided to look into moving Beagle to Cmake and learn its strengths and weaknesses. So, mostly I did this because I was just hanging out

Re: Summary of (Was: GNOME desktop integration lib)

2006-10-10 Thread Dan Winship
Rodrigo Moya wrote: * Call it libgtkdesktop and include in GTK source? Or in GTK proper? This makes sense for some of the stuff, like: * screensaver (see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305688). This could be merged with Dan's work on Gtk/GdkSession, and we could add there all

Re: Metacity Compositor

2006-10-04 Thread Dan Winship
Frederic Crozat wrote: From the feedback we got during Mandriva 2007.0 beta test, people got busted by bugs which was been fixed in either kwin or metacity, mainly on focus stealing. Yeah, the compiz and metacity hackers got together at GUADEC and everyone agreed that it would be a great idea

Re: Metacity Compositor

2006-10-03 Thread Dan Winship
Rob Adams wrote: Why bother when both the GNOME and KDE projects already have excellent window managers? I don't understand this idea of writing a whole new window manager just to add eye candy. There's nothing about compositing that requires a complete rewrite of the window manager. The

Re: Metacity Compositor

2006-10-02 Thread Dan Winship
Toby Smithe wrote: On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 01:33 +0200, Marco Cabizza wrote: So, can the metacity compositor link against something else - i.e. a compiz backend? - or is it just stalled ? Well, I know nothing of how it currently works, but I do believe that the best solution would be to

Re: The future of session management in GNOME

2006-09-20 Thread Dan Winship
I've started a page about this on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/SessionManagement -- Dan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: The future of session management in GNOME

2006-09-11 Thread Dan Winship
Havoc Pennington wrote: I don't think you're crazy, but can I suggest a good approach might be: - start from what the user benefits / scenarios are - figure out in a top-down way what API we'd like _apps_ to have - then figure out how to implement that or something like it Well, I would

Re: getting on a longer release cycled

2006-09-07 Thread Dan Winship
An innocent bystander who I'm going to flame now wrote: I doubt we can do Topaz within the comfort of our tried and true 6 month cycle and we do need to decide what Topaz is going to be at some point. But how can you say that we can't do Topaz in the 6 month cycle when you admit that WE DON'T

The future of session management in GNOME

2006-09-06 Thread Dan Winship
In the last year or so, it's become fashionable to suggest ripping XSMP out of GNOME and moving to a new, improved, simpler, presumably dbus-based session management system. I'd like to argue that that's a bad idea, and we should fix gnome-session and GnomeClient while still sticking with XSMP.

Re: Tomboy in Desktop

2006-07-27 Thread Dan Winship
Jeff Waugh wrote: I haven't really heard much of a critical response to these ideas, just more ber, Desktop, Desktop, Desktop, get it all in Desktop stuff. Why does it need to be in Desktop? Why do we have to jam everything in Desktop? Can we ship it in Powertools (a suite that has been

Re: Tomboy in Desktop

2006-07-27 Thread Dan Winship
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Dan Winship The big missing piece here is translation. Alex can't personally translate Tomboy into all 52 languages, but the translators don't have time to translate every single GNOME app in the universe either. So if we want to consider Tomboy to be in, GNOME

Re: Gtk# in the bindings suite

2006-07-21 Thread Dan Winship
* Should we include Gtk# in the Bindings suite? - short term - it hasn't been proposed for 2.16, but we could grandfather it in It was proposed actually: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00457.html -- Dan ___

Re: Tomboy in Desktop

2006-07-21 Thread Dan Winship
Jeff Waugh wrote: * Without a doubt, Tomboy is pure awesome. * We don't have to integrate *everything* into the Desktop suite. That was never its purpose. The Desktop suite is all about the OOTB (out of the box) desktop user experience. I don't get it. Don't we want the out of the

downstream bugs [was Re: GnomeClient replacement?]

2006-07-19 Thread Dan Winship
Luis Villa wrote: * distros are all crap at getting their bugs upstream, pretty much. (Some are slightly better than others, at various times.) So now that we've got XML-RPC support in bugzilla, it would be insanely cool if someone could write interfaces and code to let you do cross-bugzilla

Re: focus! (was Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al)

2006-07-18 Thread Dan Winship
Rich Burridge wrote: I've seen GNOME steadily improve over the last few years, but it still doesn't have a cohesive wholeness to it. One of the problems in this respect is that different distros customize GNOME as they see fit. That's totally backwards. GNOME doesn't have a cohesive wholeness

Re: Bring a conlusion please

2006-07-18 Thread Dan Winship
Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: So, after 7 days of deliberations, what are the results? Technically we still have 6 more days to deliberate. Is Mono/GTK# going to be included as part of the desktop OR binding 2.16.x platform, or not? A clear 'yes' or 'no' please. AFAIR, the only objections to

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-14 Thread Dan Winship
Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: Rodrigo gently raises the seminal question, What is so different?. The answer is known: It is that enormous elephant standing in the corner that folks have been politely tip-toeing around, trying to ignore. Tiptoeing around the issue is NOT polite at this

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-14 Thread Dan Winship
Darren Kenny wrote: Again I think people seriously need to get out of the mind-set that there is only one desktop user on a machine - so a couple of meg for 1 user isn't a lot - but for 100 users on a single machine (even with 256Mb of RAM per user) there is a huge impact in that tiny

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-13 Thread Dan Winship
Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote: Does it make sense to you to use have three or four different DOM parsers in memory at the same time? No, it doesn't, but we already have three XML(ish) parsers linked into every C-based GNOME app (libxml2, expat, and GMarkup). And yet, GNOME is *better* now than

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-12 Thread Dan Winship
Elijah Newren wrote: * orca (as a replacement to gnopernicus) * alacarte * gnome-power-manager * Tomboy * Gtk# Yay, I have no clue, Yay, Yay, and Yay, respectively. There's one additional issue to address as well: * Okay to have desktop modules depend on gtk# bindings? The argument

Re: Gnome 2 infinity and beyond [was Re: Tango and 2.16]

2006-04-20 Thread Dan Winship
Andrew Sobala wrote: And it can *all* be done *now.* That's the point. It's big. It's hard. It's a lot of work. But there's nothing to stop any of these ideas being implemented. And when we have the code to make this all work, we can build something new: the next generation desktop, and

Re: Desktop as Nautilus

2006-03-15 Thread Dan Winship
Kalle Vahlman wrote: On 3/15/06, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently acquired a 24 screen and I must say things are not so simple. Fitt's law works for small screens, but not for big ones. nitpick You probably mean this application of Fitt's law here. Fitt's law is not

Re: new module decisions [was Re: gnome-screensaver]

2006-02-17 Thread Dan Winship
Murray Cumming wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 13:33 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: - David's recent point in this thread about the desktop release set not being so important also rings true to me. It's a binary in-or-out yet there are lots of really rocking Gnome programs that are well

Re: gnome-screensaver

2006-02-16 Thread Dan Winship
Davyd Madeley wrote: Some of us care that the GNOME we ship and give out tarballs for is sane and cogent and makes sense by itself. But it doesn't make sense by itself. GNOME doesn't contain a kernel, a C library, or an X server. It only contains half of a printing architecture (the half that

Re: NLD10 and GNOME

2006-02-08 Thread Dan Winship
Alan Cox wrote: So if Fedora, Ubuntu and every other Gnome using distribution also start doing tons of private development (Excluding Xgl, there was hardly tons of private development.) then trying to jam it all in CVS afterwards how do you expect Gnome to develop when all these variants

Re: NLD10 and GNOME

2006-02-07 Thread Dan Winship
Luis Villa wrote: On 2/7/06, JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The changes that were implemented were not as radical as the mockups. Basically what Nat F. showed in Paris is what was implemented. The code will be released to the community soon. To ask the obvious question, why not now,

Re: Design by Community

2006-02-07 Thread Dan Winship
I put it in emotive terms because *someone* has to offset all the hugging and back-slapping about Dan's mail. Er. Yeah well. Anyway, I just reread Jono's original message and corresponding blog post again, and it still seems to me that he was talking solely about the GNOME- UI-related stuff in

libsoup branched

2005-11-10 Thread Dan Winship
I branched libsoup for gnome-2-12 and updated jhbuild. (libsoup has neither translatable strings nor user documentation, so I'm not cc:ing those lists.) Plans for 2.14 include: * Finally using the GNOME proxy settings from gconf (including ignore_hosts) by default (*) * A patch

Re: Keyboard usage on some Gnome windows not working

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Winship
Matthew Thomas wrote: On 19 Oct, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Bill Haneman wrote: Matthew said: In Windows 2000 and (I think) Windows XP, all access key underlines are hidden by default. http://www.microsoft.com/enable/training/windowsxp/ hideunderlines.aspx This makes the interface less ugly,