Re: Suggestions for an official GNOME hosted document collaboration suite?
On 2014-02-14 16:39, Florian Müllner wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:27 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: there is any legal issue that prevent gnome to introduce a per-user revenue model, or in other words commercial services over open source solutions? Being a non-profit organization[0], I would assume so (but then I am not a lawyer). We are a 501(c)(3) organization, but that doesn't mean we can't ever charge for services. Basically it's more of a matter of whether the income is taxed or not, and to make sure that this kind of activity isn't a substantial part of what we do. This is of course an over simplification, but you can read more about the details in the part of the legal primer I wrote when I was at SFLC: http://softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/foss-primer.html#x1-370003.5.3 Of course, no matter what we do it should always be to forward software freedom and GNOME technologies :) karen [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501%28c%29_organization ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
On Thu, August 15, 2013 5:03 am, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub. As you can see in the minutes published today, the board discussed the thread about GitHub and the various concerns on this issue. Firstly, the board would like to thank Alberto and Andrea for their hard work to increase participation in GNOME by making this mirror happen. We all think it's important to improve our outreach to newcomers and welcome work like this to make contributions easier to a greater group of people. Alberto, please also pass on our thanks to the folks at GitHub who took the time and helped make this happen! However, the majority of the board requested that the word official be removed as we think it could be confusing as to whether GNOME is recommending GitHub. Alberto has already complied with this request. (You can read more detail about this in the minutes.) The board would like to explore making this effort with other services (like Gitorious). If there is someone who would like to put in the work to create the appropriate hooks in the repository, please contact us. karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Going to Montreal again
On Thu, September 12, 2013 1:40 pm, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, we are having a Montreal summit again this year. We have a wiki page to collect information about it here: http://live.gnome.org/Montreal2013 Please feel free to fill this up with useful information, like topics you would like to work on, etc. In particular, the participants list might be useful to organize some car sharing for people coming from the Boston area. Also, there's a form to fill out if you need travel sponsorship here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Montreal2013/travelsponsorship The deadline is September 26 and since it's tight timing, the requests will be evaluated as quickly as possible so people can book their travel. karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
On Thu, August 15, 2013 9:47 am, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: Is it because GNOME's mirrors are called official, and that you feel that having a presence on any proprietary infrastructure feels detrimental to GNOME's philosophy and mission? I won't comment too much since as Kat says, this will be discussed by the board, but I do feel this way. Saying that it's official implies that the GNOME Foundation recommends it. I think that having official endorsements of proprietary software is detrimental to our mission to support software freedom. karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: [OT] Re: [Fwd: Re: Two 3.10 feature ideas]
On Fri, April 12, 2013 1:51 pm, ×× ×××× ×§×¨×¡× ×¨ wrote: I wasn't implying closed-source software succeeds, it was sarcasm. Anyway, arguing on different believes and priorities is pointless, I'll stop here. I got the point, you want a bigger market share. But I don't understand why. I mean, why is that the primary goal? It sounds like a goal for a commercial company. I've got to chime in here too - I want to bring free software to more people as part of our nonprofit charitable mission. I believe that it is really important to our society that we build free alternatives to the proprietary systems that are increasingly being relied on for critical functionality. Free software is the right answer for all software, but we do have a basic challenge in providing the alternatives that people will want to use. I want to encourage a move to good online services, but I also know that providing a way for users to continue to use the services that they already count on is a pre-requisite for many. It's a complicated issue, and I think we need to work as hard as possible to build alternatives and to encourage users towards fully free and ethically built software and services. But we also must be an immediately viable alternative. karen Anyway, you do what you believe in and I'll do what I believe in. I understand now, why Gnome supplies all those bad plugins before it tries to offer replacements. There are enough modules for me to work on, which aren't related to Facebook or Google. See you around On ×', 2013-04-12 at 19:29 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 19:40 +0300, ×× ×××× ×§×¨×¡× ×¨ wrote: What does competing on the market mean? Do you get a salary for working on Gnome projects, which depends on how many people use your software? Primarily, markets are based on interest attention, not money. Since when is increasing the user base a primary goal? If that's we're after, let's start writing closed-source software. Microsoft, Google, Facebook and many others succeed more than Gnome, maybe we should just follow them and abandon the Free Software idea. You imply that because of being closed-source, other projects are more successful, but it's more likely that they are successful for a number of other reasons while being closed-source. So that's a false cause. But we might differ on defining success here, I'm thinking in terms of userbase and marketshare, you might not. Now seriously, which goal is more important: spreading software freedom and free-as-in-freedom computing, or just getting more people to use Gnome (which doesn't increase anyone's salary anyway)? To me both is important. Plus not sure why you mention salaries. In my opinion, the point is that the developers themselves should care about software freedom, and make that a high-priority goal, rather than feeding their ego by having users migrate to Gnome. So caring about software freedom does not feed your ego by making you feel more morale compared to closed-source? Good, then. You can't spread freedom if you're not consistent with your own ideas. People will say, all that open source/free software thing is bullshit, look at them. They supply a direct connection to Facebook and GMail and Twitter from the desktop, before them even bother to give us a free alternative. It's all bullshit, let's go back to Windows. People will say misses a citation, but I can come up with that too: People will say that the open source/free software thing is bullshit, they don't even offer basic integration with the most common services on the interwebs. Freedom is nice, but I need to get my work done. Anyway, I prefer to make GNOME good, easy, beautiful for everybody, not just for people who already know and care about software freedom. andre ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: How long should it take to fix a obvious memory leak?
On Thu, April 4, 2013 10:58 am, Ma Xiaojun wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/ Maybe you have some luck to find a developer on https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/python-hackers-list . However I don't expect anybody to create a new tarball of pygtk that distros would pick up and ship, so not sure how much sense this makes. This touches a general unsolved issue: Sharing the maintenance burden of deprecated modules across distributors who ship enterprise / long-term support versions. Same problem e.g. for gnome-vfs, libgnome, ... I guess if somebody offered maintainership, nobody would refuse. It's all logistics issues on your side; I don't care about the community dynamics. I just care how GNOME community as a whole treat third-party developers. Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions generally and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and negative tone frustrates productive discussion and often causes unnecessary reaction traffic which just wastes people's time. Please be more considerate in your emails to this list. karen It boils down simply to a trivial reference counting issue. People urge to have this bug fixed has nothing to do with people want to take over PyGTK. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: How long should it take to fix a obvious memory leak?
On Thu, April 4, 2013 11:16 am, Ma Xiaojun wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions generally and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and negative tone frustrates productive discussion and often causes unnecessary reaction traffic which just wastes people's time. Everyone would be happy if any of you fix the real problem rather than educating about community dynamics. I understand that your bug complaint is important to you, but as I said, community dynamics are very important to this list. As Andre said, it's not the topic but your tone. This is not the first thread like this from you. Please review our code of conduct, https://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/ Be respectful and considerate, patient and generous. karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Reminder: Call for a11y bids deadline in one week
Hi everyone, Just a friendly reminder that the deadline to submit a proposal to do a11y work with our Friends of GNOME money and Mozilla sponsorship is coming up a week from today. Details are here: http://www.gnome.org/news/2013/02/call-for-bids-for-gnome-accessibility-work/ Extra tip for those of you working on proposals: one item that isn't on the list but would surely be good to see is a discussion of your future commitment to contributing to GNOME and accessibility once the money runs out. I look forward to reading your bid! karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Privacy/Security Friends of GNOME campaign?
Hi everyone, The marketing team agreed that this time a privacy/security campaign would be great for a friends of GNOME drive. After Jacob Applebaum's talk at GUADEC, we heard a lot of people discussing how important these issues are and how we'd like to do more at GNOME. Are there areas of GNOME that you think could be improved from this perspective? Ideally we'd launch the campaign pretty soon, and the plan would be to again raise funds generally for the cause. This way we can raise awareness about the issue in addition to raising money. For the accessibility campaign, we are currently working on a call for proposals to use the money that we raised which we hope to publish soon, and I expect we'd do the same with these funds. It would be great to get an idea of what people think and give us an idea of what to work towards. thanks! karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Design in the open
On Wed, April 25, 2012 9:27 am, Allan Day wrote: Echoing what Brian said, I like these suggestions for improvement! Are there any that we can turn into concrete initiatives that we can organize soon and perhaps fundraise for? Or build some initiatives for GUADEC? I include a few more detailed questions below along these lines. It is important to recognise that improving the state of design in GNOME isnt just the responsibility of designers. There are things that all of us can do to help - from the release team and maintainers, to individual developers and community advocates. Here are some of my ideas for things that all of us can do to make design work more effectively and harmoniously as a part of GNOME: * a more rigorous (and better documented) feature proposal process I think there's some confusion here - you're not talking about purely technical proposals here too, are you? I assume this is more focused on anything that interfaces with any elements of design... * new tools for displaying and discussing designs, such as something like Dribble or Design Hub * a process for resolving design disagreements - perhaps maintainers or the release team could mediate if a dispute seems intractable? I think we should definitely explore this more, it goes hand in hand with the other suggestions below - helping to stop bad behavior, soothing ruffled feathers and communicating better. * better communications about where GNOME is going and what the project is trying to achieve * some kind of active community management role to help soothe ruffled feathers * advertised designer playgrounds and discussion areas (for people wanting to stretch their design wings) * tackle bad behaviour across the project in a more proactive manner (will ensure that disagreements dont get out of hand) * micro release-cycles in which new features are advertised, completed and tested * better testing facilities so people can test and give feedback on UX changes before release time What would this entail? This sounds like it could be incredibly helpful if we could find the resources for it. * keep a running list of design tasks that are appropriate for newcomers * work to prevent design disputes - ensure early informal contact between designers and developers at the beginning of feature initiatives So there are lots of ways that we can do design better as a community, and contributors on this list can all play a part in helping to make us to be even more successful in this regard. It will take actions as well as words to move forward, of course - if you want to help, or have your own ideas, just get in touch. thanks, Allan! I'm glad we're having these discussions and hope that we can find ways for the Foundation to help too. karen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
