On tis, 2006-04-11 at 11:47 -0400, ext David Zeuthen wrote:
[snip]
> I think it's just crazy talk to propose yet another daemon running as
> root just to solve the not-so-interesting edge case of enforcing policy
> when no one is logged in. Btw, I've suggested to some NetworkManager
> developers t
On Mon 10. Apr - 09:53:04, Shaun McCance wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since the original announcement mail about gnom
On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wrong. It only matters when you're getting so low you are in danger of
> losing work, or when the status changes, or in a couple other corner
> cases which can be designed for. It is *not* the most important thing-
> the most important thing is wha
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 11:47 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
> I agree it's worthwhile renaming g-p-m's session bus interface from
> org.gnome.PowerManager to org.freedesktop.PowerManager after discussion
> and review on xdg-list. Richard, you should raise this on
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] describing what th
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 19:13 +0200, Danny Kukawka wrote:
> IMO the idea to start g-p-m in gdm is not really a good solution if you use
> more than one desktop environment - a cross desktop solution would be much
> more better.
Generic freedesktop-type DBUS API calls for stuff like the inhibit
On Tuesday 11 April 2006 18:05, David Zeuthen wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 14:33 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 13:29 +0200, Jeroen Zwartepoorte wrote:
> > > I'm curious: what role does the powersave daemon fulfill? I'm running
> > > FC5 and afaik, HAL/g-p-m gets it informat
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 14:33 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 13:29 +0200, Jeroen Zwartepoorte wrote:
> > I'm curious: what role does the powersave daemon fulfill? I'm running
> > FC5 and afaik, HAL/g-p-m gets it information directly from the OS
> > (ACPI)?
> >
> HAL scripts (in $
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 17:45 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Now, that's a slightly separate problem - that is, the fact that most
> DBus applications are focused on the "User logged in" case. David
> Zeuthen's been working on that, and I think there's a more elegant
> solution than "Run as root,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
since there is already a daemon (HAL and underlying power save software,
like pmu, powersave, etc), why do we need another daemon? I think the
current g-p-m architecture, with the 'daemon' being also the
notification icon makes a lot of sense. If adding th
On 4/10/06, Rodney Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And doing so, shuffles the icons around, making the ones
> the user does care about, moving targets in some cases.
See my proposal earlier.
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Rodney Dawes wrote:
This is a configuration problem, not a user interface problem. Just
because you might want to do that, does not mean that all other users
will want to as well. In fact, if you want to say that, we can talk
about the majority of the Desktop market, and show how useful it is to
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 19:36 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote:
> Rodney Dawes wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:37 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> >> + the gossip icon. It just sits there, while I have no message. It
> >>should be an applet.
> >
> > Making it an applet doesn't solve the problem. It
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 17:35 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 12:21:58PM -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote:
>
> > We should make it smart and allow expansion, and hide inactive and low
> > priority icons, like on Windows.
>
> If we can hide icons without losing important information
Hi,
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 14:31 +0100, Iain * wrote:
> > You missed my second point. If the icon is the application, then we
> > should provide an easy way for the application to use an applet
> > instead of the notification area.
>
> Except they want it so that they work in KDE as well. That was
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 18:41 +0100, Andrew Sobala wrote:
> Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 18:02 +0200, Holger Macht wrote:
> >
> >> Richard, please think about your current opinion and maybe try to help to
> >> get a good solution for the GNOME desktop which usees one common back
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 18:41 +0100, Andrew Sobala wrote:
> However, Bob being able to send out one DBus message
> ("InhibitInactiveSleep") in BobsCrackLadenAndCPUIntensiveApp that is
> picked up by the power management daemon in GNOME and KDE, whichever the
> app is running under, may be a good t
> You missed my second point. If the icon is the application, then we
> should provide an easy way for the application to use an applet
> instead of the notification area.
Sort of like "minimize to applet" or something? That's not going to
work well until applets and application use the same main
Richard Hughes wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 18:02 +0200, Holger Macht wrote:
Richard, please think about your current opinion and maybe try to help to
get a good solution for the GNOME desktop which usees one common backend.
gnome-power-manager is a 400k binary. It uses gconf to store
Rodney Dawes wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:37 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
+ the gossip icon. It just sits there, while I have no message. It
should be an applet.
Making it an applet doesn't solve the problem. It's still the same icon
sitting on your panel, taking up space, doing absolutel
Rodrigo Moya wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:08 +0100, Andrew Sobala wrote:
Corey Burger wrote:
On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's worth pointing out that gnome-power-manager is very much a
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 06:02:53PM +0200, Holger Macht wrote:
> Ubuntu guys would also take it IMHO if there would be a gnome
> client for it.
We'll take it if there's a gnome client /and/ it provides the same
degree of useful functionality as g-p-m currently does. But I think
we'll have the o
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 18:02 +0200, Holger Macht wrote:
> No, KDE people are definitely not pleased with their current
> implementation. They still use klaptop by default which is nearly
> completely unmaintained.
>
> Maybe Richard never heard KDE guys saiing that they want a cross desktop
> daemon
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 12:21:58PM -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote:
> We should make it smart and allow expansion, and hide inactive and low
> priority icons, like on Windows.
If we can hide icons without losing important information, why are we
showing them in the first place?
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On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:37 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> + the gossip icon. It just sits there, while I have no message. It
>should be an applet.
Making it an applet doesn't solve the problem. It's still the same icon
sitting on your panel, taking up space, doing absolutely nothing for
you. I
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 09:53 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since the original announcement mail ab
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > Since the original announcement mail about gnome-power-manager, we have
> > > moved the mailing list to g
> You missed my second point. If the icon is the application, then we
> should provide an easy way for the application to use an applet
> instead of the notification area.
Except they want it so that they work in KDE as well. That was the
original reason for the first offender (the redhat updater
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 13:29 +0200, Jeroen Zwartepoorte wrote:
> I'm curious: what role does the powersave daemon fulfill? I'm running
> FC5 and afaik, HAL/g-p-m gets it information directly from the OS
> (ACPI)?
>
HAL scripts (in $prefix/libexec/hal iirc) use the underlying daemon's
commands to su
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 11:50 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> I don't understand why you don't care. Usually, AFAIK, batteries have a
> longer life if you charge them completely and then discharge them
> completely, so at least from my experience, you really care when it's
> fully charged so that you c
I'm curious: what role does the powersave daemon fulfill? I'm running
FC5 and afaik, HAL/g-p-m gets it information directly from the OS
(ACPI)?
Regards,
Jeroen
On 4/10/06, Rodrigo Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 12:25 +0200, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
> wrote:
> >
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 12:25 +0200, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 11:59 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 01:28, Corey Burger wrote:
> > > On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Elijah Newren wrote:
> > > > > On 4/9/06, Sco
On Mon, April 10, 2006 11:28, Iain * wrote:
> On 4/10/06, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> There are some ways to fix this:
>>
>> + HIG HIG HIG
>>
>> + make it possible to dynamically add an applet from a program. I'd
>>like to add the infrastructure for this during 2.16. Don't k
Vincent Untz writes:
> + HIG HIG HIG
[Bug 99175] Need recommendations for notification area.
HIG | General | Ver: unspecified
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99175
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On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 12:25 +0200, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 11:59 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 01:28, Corey Burger wrote:
> > > On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Elijah Newren wrote:
> > > > > On 4/9/06, Sco
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 11:59 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 01:28, Corey Burger wrote:
> > On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Elijah Newren wrote:
> > > > On 4/9/06, Scott J. Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Am I the only one who mouses o
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 01:28, Corey Burger wrote:
> On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Elijah Newren wrote:
> > > On 4/9/06, Scott J. Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Am I the only one who mouses over the applet to see how much more time
> > >> until the battery is
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:08 +0100, Andrew Sobala wrote:
> Corey Burger wrote:
> > On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's worth pointing out that gnome-power-manager is very much a notifier
> >>> rather th
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:37 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Well, I really should have 6, but I'm not listening music right now
> (rhythmbox). And it could be 7, but I'm not connected with ekiga right
> now. Or 8 with NetworkManager. And even 9 since I use the keyboard
> typing break feature, but the
> There are two different ways of looking at the icons
> + Icon is application and any windows created belong to the icon
> The program doesn't quit when you close windows. Gaim and Tomboy are
> examples
> + Icon is used for notification and is owned by the program. If the
> program window
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 10:28 +0100, Iain * wrote:
> > + try to make the notification area smart and force some icons to hide.
> >This will be inherently broken.
>
> There are two different ways of looking at the icons
> + Icon is application and any windows created belong to the icon
> Th
On 4/10/06, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are some ways to fix this:
>
> + HIG HIG HIG
>
> + make it possible to dynamically add an applet from a program. I'd
>like to add the infrastructure for this during 2.16. Don't know if
>I'll have time, but maybe someone is inter
[I killed most of the mail addresses in the cc line]
Le dimanche 09 avril 2006 à 22:08 +0100, Andrew Sobala a écrit :
> As a sidenote, I believe the windows slider was invented to leave some
> room for the task bar when you have 40 icons in your notification area,
> one for every application ins
> > Nope. I'm working on a laptop at the moment, and I don't care that my
> > battery is fully charged. This is because it's plugged into the wall. If
> > I wasn't plugged into the wall, I'd start caring - but I'd also get a
> > battery symbol.
>
> Am I the only one who mouses over the applet to
On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Elijah Newren wrote:
> > On 4/9/06, Scott J. Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Am I the only one who mouses over the applet to see how much more time
> >> until the battery is fully charged?
> >>
> >
> > Definitely not; I rely on this f
Elijah Newren wrote:
On 4/9/06, Scott J. Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Am I the only one who mouses over the applet to see how much more time
until the battery is fully charged?
Definitely not; I rely on this frequently. I'd be heavily annoyed if
the applet wasn't showing (and no
On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/9/06, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I completely disagree. There are a few good reasons why an icon should
> > be displayed all the time
> >
> > 1. What state the battery is in is always relevant. Power is the
> > single most im
On 4/9/06, Scott J. Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew Sobala wrote:
> > Nope. I'm working on a laptop at the moment, and I don't care that my
> > battery is fully charged. This is because it's plugged into the wall. If
> > I wasn't plugged into the wall, I'd start caring - but I'd also get
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:12 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> 1. It's good design to split up parts which are doing different things
> ( You can also put all your code in one source file, but that's not good
> design )
Even though D-BUS indeed makes it easy to do IPC I fail to see why you'd
want to spl
Andrew Sobala wrote:
> Corey Burger wrote:
>> On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
It's worth pointing out that gnome-power-manager is very much a
notifier
rather than an interactive applet. If your powe
On 4/9/06, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> > > >>> Richard,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a "daem
Corey Burger wrote:
On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's worth pointing out that gnome-power-manager is very much a notifier
rather than an interactive applet. If your power cable falls out, it
pops up a message saying
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:57 -0700, Corey Burger wrote:
> On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> > > >>> Richard,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a "
On 4/9/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> > >>> Richard,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a "daemon"
> > >>> and a "notication area icon"/applet would not be so h
On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> >>> Richard,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a "daemon"
> >>> and a "notication area icon"/applet would not be so hard.
> >>>
> >>> They are pretty independent from each other.
>
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 20:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 20:52 +0200, Soeren Sonnenburg wrote:
> > On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:56:50 +, Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley w
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 20:52 +0200, Soeren Sonnenburg wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:56:50 +, Jaap Haitsma wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard
Jaap Haitsma wrote:
Richard,
As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a "daemon"
and a "notication area icon"/applet would not be so hard.
They are pretty independent from each other.
The "daemon" just has to watch batteries, laptop lid, hardware keys and
take appropriate
> > Richard,
> >
> >
> > As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a "daemon"
> > and a "notication area icon"/applet would not be so hard.
> >
> > They are pretty independent from each other.
> >
> > The "daemon" just has to watch batteries, laptop lid, hardware keys and
> >
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:56:50 +, Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
>> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
>> > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
[...]
>> > I would like to see g-p-m fragmented into th
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:56 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since the original announcement mail abo
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > Since the original announcement mail about gnome-power-manager, we have
> > > moved the mailing list to g
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
>
> > Since the original announcement mail about gnome-power-manager, we have
> > moved the mailing list to gnome.org, are now hosted on gnome.org, and am
> > starting to integ
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