Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2010-04-23 Thread Dylan McCall
I think it would be worth fleshing out some existing parts of the design, like the application menu and launchers, before delving in to gizmos as a separate component. In the end, if the rest is done to cover the appropriate jobs, they may not be necessary. One really dumb thing with gnome-panel

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-06-05 Thread Olafur Arason
What I would die is two things that stem from the same concept: A low operation mode that would be sent through a term signal so that the application knows it only has to perform basic operations. Like Rhytmbox only playing music and giving status updates, basically suspending there graphical

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-30 Thread Calum Benson
On 21 Apr 2009, at 04:34, Travis Watkins wrote: This one at least has been solved in Windows 7 by merging the QuickLaunch area with running applications. A dock would also solve this problem nicely. You'll notice OS X doesn't have a lot of applets on the menu bar. The only one I've seen a lot

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-30 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi Calum, On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Calum Benson calum.ben...@sun.com wrote: On 21 Apr 2009, at 04:34, Travis Watkins wrote: This one at least has been solved in Windows 7 by merging the QuickLaunch area with running applications. A dock would also solve this problem nicely. You'll

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-30 Thread Calum Benson
On 1 May 2009, at 00:00, William Jon McCann wrote: On the plus side, the good thing about OS X menu extras (as they're properly called) is that they're all generally of a uniform size and appearance (they fit into a square, and they're monochrome)-- the 15 I have still take up less

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-22 Thread Mike Bursell
I'm new to this (having just joined the gnome-shell-list, but I quite like this suggestion, with one possible addition. I was wondering whether all of them could be on a circular strip (think zoetrope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoetrope) which could easily be rotated so that you can choose and

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-21 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 16:10 -0700, Dylan McCall a écrit : I do have a guess what could be done. Firstly, abolish applets as things which must be run differently from other applications; the user should not Ever see the word applet again. Enhance running applications and how they connect

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-21 Thread Dušan Maliarik
Hi, possible solution, the golden one imho, could be to create new API for applets, while redefining term applet. Applet could be equivalent to widgets in macos x, or plasmoids (horrible naming) in kde. Small self contained applications rendered either with gtk+ or some htmlview with javascript

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-21 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: While I agree your proposal would be a great enhancement for most applications that abuse of the notification area (e.g. music players), I don't think that could fully replace applets. Applets like timerapplet or sticky notes are different from standard applications

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Meyer
I've found that I really like the plasmoid approach from KDE4. Most of those things fit the description of infrequently needed for short periods of time, or crack. From my point of view (a user), I mainly want to be able to get to applets quickly. With the current small format of applets on the

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-21 Thread Davyd Madeley
Just to throw my hat into the ring, I thought I'd link to some previous discussion on applets. http://davyd.livejournal.com/118545.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00241.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00384.html --

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Owen Taylor schrieb: [...] The last thing I'll mention here is that I don't think we should be overly concerned with porting and applet parity. If there was no system monitor applet in GNOME 3.0, life would go on. What we should be concerned

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Crack === Brightness applet Inhibit Applet There will be often differences in opionions. I, for one, use above two applets very often. First, because changing brightness keyboard shortcut require two hands on my laptop, but

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Owen Taylor
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 16:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Crack === Brightness applet Inhibit Applet There will be often differences in opionions. I, for one, use above two applets very often. First, because changing

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Jud Craft
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 16:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54:43PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: One man's crack is another's basic functionality. Note that Crack was in quotes. I think it's

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
2009/4/20 Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com: The last thing I'll mention here is that I don't think we should be overly concerned with porting and applet parity. If there was no system monitor applet in GNOME 3.0, life would go on. What we should be concerned about is creating the ecosystem where

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread William Jon McCann
Hey Owen, The main open question for gnome-shell is not how to implement them. It's the user interface question. And when we look at the user interface question I think the label applet is a bit deceptive. We have all sort of different things that are applets, and their only commonality is

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Dylan McCall
Applets in general are broken because they are no different in functionality from regular applications, or from each other (in terms of desklets vs panel applets vs. the notification area). Many applets are applets because they have very small, simple interfaces; too small to justify having big

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-20 Thread Travis Watkins
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: Similarly, all sorts of applications choose to hide within the notification area because they want to stay out of the user's way and window managers fail to provide the necessary functionality themselves. Thus, they

Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-19 Thread Owen Taylor
[ Resend from a typo in the To: ] On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 23:26 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: 2009/4/19 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 14:34 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: I think it would be a big mistake to omit applets in the new gnome desktop evolution.

Re: Applets? [was Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0]

2009-04-19 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 22:54 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: [ Resend from a typo in the To: ] On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 23:26 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: 2009/4/19 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 14:34 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: I think it would be a big mistake