Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-12-03 Thread Stef Walter
Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 10:05 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: A concurrent cache is fairly straightforward; concurrent SSL certificate database I don't really want to think about =) Many appologies for the awkwardly late response, but... gnome-keyring will do this for you in 2.22

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-27 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 10:05 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: H Can you check out http://live.gnome.org/LibSoup/DesktopWideHttp and see if there's anything missing? This looks good overall. Are there any libsoup python bindings? By far the most important thing from my perspective is read-only

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-27 Thread Dan Winship
Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 10:05 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: H Can you check out http://live.gnome.org/LibSoup/DesktopWideHttp and see if there's anything missing? This looks good overall. Are there any libsoup python bindings? No, no one has ever asked about doing

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-27 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 13:35 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: No, no one has ever asked about doing bindings of libsoup before, probably because every other language already has its own standard http library. But of course, none of them have glib main loop integration and stuff like that. Right.

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-26 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 10:05 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: Havoc Pennington wrote: I do think libsoup, gnome-vfs, neon, and curl are all bad answers long-term for apps that want to use web APIs or download an icon. The right answer will address among other things how to share cookies and

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-26 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Dan Winship wrote: Havoc Pennington wrote: I do think libsoup, gnome-vfs, neon, and curl are all bad answers long-term for apps that want to use web APIs or download an icon. To be clear, I wasn't trying to say here that none of these could be made a good answer, just that they aren't

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-26 Thread John Stowers
- it seems inevitable that both gnome-http-lib and Firefox would need to rely on some type of common repository of cookies, etc. and that this repo would be managed by some type of daemon that handled locking and change-notification; said daemon would need to be able to run

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-21 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 15:23 -0200, Pedro de Medeiros wrote: That's all very interesting, but what about a better integration of on-line applications in the desktop environment like regular applications? Have you seen, for instance, prism? http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/10/prism/ I think

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-21 Thread John Stowers
On Nov 22, 2007 6:40 AM, Alp Toker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 15:23 -0200, Pedro de Medeiros wrote: That's all very interesting, but what about a better integration of on-line applications in the desktop environment like regular applications?

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-21 Thread Pedro de Medeiros
On Nov 21, 2007 3:40 PM, Alp Toker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 15:23 -0200, Pedro de Medeiros wrote: That's all very interesting, but what about a better integration of on-line applications in the desktop environment like regular applications?

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-21 Thread Alp Toker
John Stowers wrote: For example, the new shiny HTML5 client db stuff in webkit [2] will go some way to allowing desktop apps to be written in HTML/JS and then run inside a light webkit shell, but can we do better. What about * A simple way to start a webkit browser widget associated with a

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-20 Thread Pedro de Medeiros
On Nov 1, 2007 7:16 PM, John Stowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/2/07, Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Stowers wrote: But at the moment this particular 'PDA' requires a different way for it to be connected. As I explained earlier, the other 'PDA's we support are either

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-01 Thread Colin Walters
John Stowers wrote: But at the moment this particular 'PDA' requires a different way for it to be connected. As I explained earlier, the other 'PDA's we support are either connected(), disconnected(), or we ask for the user to connect them (log in) while we wait. I am interested in providing a

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-01 Thread John Stowers
On 11/2/07, Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Stowers wrote: But at the moment this particular 'PDA' requires a different way for it to be connected. As I explained earlier, the other 'PDA's we support are either connected(), disconnected(), or we ask for the user to connect

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread Owen Taylor
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:55 +1300, John Stowers wrote: Hiya After spending some time trying to integrate Conduit with online-desktop lately, I thought I should share my thoughts. a) The build provess for hippo (http://svn.mugshot.org/dumbhippo/trunk/client) is overly complex on account

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, John Stowers wrote: a) The build provess for hippo (http://svn.mugshot.org/dumbhippo/trunk/client) is overly complex on account of things for windows and osx in there. This includes a dependency on firefox and a huge bunch of statically built libraries. This seems a bit excessive. The

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread John Stowers
Hiya, b) There is no way to login to programatically to online desktop using either the dbus api or another manner. This is different to many many other web apis and makes it difficult to reliably use the api from outside mugshot. I don't quite understand this point. The general idea

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread Owen Taylor
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 09:20 +1300, John Stowers wrote: Hiya, b) There is no way to login to programatically to online desktop using either the dbus api or another manner. This is different to many many other web apis and makes it difficult to reliably use the api from outside

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread John Stowers
[ excellent detailed description omitted ] What if you don't think of online.gnome.org as a web service; what if you think of it like a PDA someone plugged into their USB port? Excellent! Apologies if I mis/over-interpret your analogy but this is EXCATLY how I think about online.gnome.org

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le lundi 29 octobre 2007 à 17:43 -0400, Owen Taylor a écrit : This isn't a module proposal, but I wanted to start a conversation about how we can move the online desktop work closer to the GNOME release process and maybe get it lined up up for 2.24. While the response to the overall idea of

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Colin Walters
Frederic Crozat wrote: Hmm, is libcurl really needed ? libcurl is conceptually a dependency in the online desktop application layer (specifically a panel applet). Longer term though we should probably replace the usage of curl here with python. ___

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 16:22 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: Hmm, is libcurl really needed ? libcurl is conceptually a dependency in the online desktop application layer (specifically a panel applet). Longer term though we should probably replace the usage of curl here

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Hubert Figuiere wrote: On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 16:22 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: Hmm, is libcurl really needed ? libcurl is conceptually a dependency in the online desktop application layer (specifically a panel applet). Longer term though we should probably

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Philip Withnall
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 16:22 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: Hmm, is libcurl really needed ? libcurl is conceptually a dependency in the online desktop application layer (specifically a panel applet). Longer term though we should probably replace the usage of curl here

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Philip Withnall wrote: Would we really want a potentially core part of the desktop to be implemented in Python? :-( Colin is talking about the mugshot stacker app, not the parts that would be potentially core. (Though, I do think python is questionable for tray icons and daemons,

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread jamie
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 21:02 +, Philip Withnall wrote: On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 16:22 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: Hmm, is libcurl really needed ? libcurl is conceptually a dependency in the online desktop application layer (specifically a panel applet). Longer

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, jamie wrote: (the UI frontend or applet can remain in python of course but the interface to the online world should be C if possible) And it is. Havoc ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Rui Tiago Cação Matos
On Ter, 2007-10-30 at 17:10 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: (Though, I do think python is questionable for tray icons and daemons, since for whatever reason each python / pygtk process is so huge. Well, last I checked, the cpython implementation *never* releases memory back to the OS. This is

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 21:02 +, Philip Withnall wrote: Would we really want a potentially core part of the desktop to be implemented in Python? :-( Can we please stop wasting everybody's time with I-don't-like-your-choice-of-language discussions? Fix the resource consumption issues if you

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread Johan Dahlin
Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote: On Ter, 2007-10-30 at 17:10 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: (Though, I do think python is questionable for tray icons and daemons, since for whatever reason each python / pygtk process is so huge. Well, last I checked, the cpython implementation *never* releases

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread John Stowers
Hiya After spending some time trying to integrate Conduit with online-desktop lately, I thought I should share my thoughts. a) The build provess for hippo (http://svn.mugshot.org/dumbhippo/trunk/client) is overly complex on account of things for windows and osx in there. This includes a

Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-29 Thread Owen Taylor
This isn't a module proposal, but I wanted to start a conversation about how we can move the online desktop work closer to the GNOME release process and maybe get it lined up up for 2.24. While the response to the overall idea of the Online Desktop has been very positive, both at GUADEC and the