Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
Hi Michael, El lun, 16-01-2006 a las 03:53 -0500, Michael R. Head escribió: On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 09:08 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: Hi Calum, It's a bit hard for me to explain, let's see: Imagine you are using the List View and you have many folders in it (let's say your home directory) in a way that real files are not visible, located well down in the bottommost part of the window. Now suppose you want to drag a file from your desktop to your home directory... there is no easy way to do that because that file won't end up in your home directory but in one of the folders located in your home directory. And that's because you are hovering a directory no matter where you drop the file. It turns out that the column header area is a suitable drop target for the current window's folder. Yeah, that's good to know, I just learned that from Calum's response. I guess I can now start using List View more often and get the benefits from the latest developments. The only pending thing is the rubber-band selection of items in the list view. You try that now and you might end up moving files or folders into another folder without knowing. I'd think the right solution here is something like the Details View of Explorer in MS Windows which is the equivalent of the List View in nautilus. When you select an item you just select that item (the file name), not the whole row. But I guess this solution is kind of hard to implement in nautilus, may be because of GTK+ (I don't really know). Do all of you agree? -William __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam �gratis! Reg�strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 09:08 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: Hi Calum, It's a bit hard for me to explain, let's see: Imagine you are using the List View and you have many folders in it (let's say your home directory) in a way that real files are not visible, located well down in the bottommost part of the window. Now suppose you want to drag a file from your desktop to your home directory... there is no easy way to do that because that file won't end up in your home directory but in one of the folders located in your home directory. And that's because you are hovering a directory no matter where you drop the file. It turns out that the column header area is a suitable drop target for the current window's folder. mike Cheers, -William -- Michael R. Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: http://www.suppressingfire.org/~burner/gpg.key.txt [0x4C9DA1D0] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 09:08 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: It's a bit hard for me to explain, let's see: Imagine you are using the List View and you have many folders in it (let's say your home directory) in a way that real files are not visible, located well down in the bottommost part of the window. Now suppose you want to drag a file from your desktop to your home directory... there is no easy way to do that because that file won't end up in your home directory but in one of the folders located in your home directory. And that's because you are hovering a directory no matter where you drop the file. The only way to do this is to move the mouse down (without dropping the file) to the bottom border of the nautilus window and wait for the auto scrolling operation to get to the file area. Then you can drop the file. Ah, yes. FWIW, the Mac Finder has exactly the same problem, and the same (non-obvious) solution... you have to drop on the column headers. Personally I'd like to see a blank row always inserted at the bottom of any file manager list view (like on Windows), so there's a guaranteed bit of 'background' to drop into. (I'm never too confident about dropping one file onto another to do this, as that behaviour could easily change to mean something else one day...) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Java Desktop System Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
On 17 Jan, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Calum Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 09:08 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: ... Imagine you are using the List View and you have many folders in it (let's say your home directory) in a way that real files are not visible, located well down in the bottommost part of the window. Now suppose you want to drag a file from your desktop to your home directory... there is no easy way to do that because that file won't end up in your home directory but in one of the folders located in your home directory. And that's because you are hovering a directory no matter where you drop the file. ... Ah, yes. FWIW, the Mac Finder has exactly the same problem, and the same (non-obvious) solution... you have to drop on the column headers. Actually, from testing it in 10.3, to move something to folder X you can drop something in any part of X's folder window that is not text belonging to a subfolder or drop-savvy application. This includes the title bar of the window, the column headers, the scrollbars, the space between a subfolder's or application's name and its date, the space between its date and its size, and so on. Dropping on the window's status bar doesn't work, but that seems to be a bug. Nautilus could allow all of those, though recognizing a drop on the title bar would need help from the window manager, and recognizing a drop in the gap between text in adjacent columns would need help from GTK. Personally I'd like to see a blank row always inserted at the bottom of any file manager list view (like on Windows), so there's a guaranteed bit of 'background' to drop into. ... That should perhaps be done for all list views, not just lists of files. People I watch often have trouble recognizing that they've scrolled to the end of a list. -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
Hi Calum, El mar, 10-01-2006 a las 17:40 +, Calum Benson escribió: On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 19:35 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: Hi, I was reading this thread without much interest but I really have to say something: List View in Nautilus have been improving a lot and I like the new developments so far, but it is very annoying when you select a list item and it selects the whole row, if a directory is huge and the files doesn't fit on the window, you are screwed. You can't deselect an item Ctrl-clicking any selected item will deselect it, and Ctrl-Shift-A (the standard GNOME 'deselect all' shortcut) will deselect everything. Neat. May be I should RTFM. and if those items happens to be folders you can't drag and drop a file in the current directory, it will be copied or moved to an unexpected place (where ever you were pointing when you dropped the file). Hmm, can't visualise what you mean here, can you try explaining it differently? It's a bit hard for me to explain, let's see: Imagine you are using the List View and you have many folders in it (let's say your home directory) in a way that real files are not visible, located well down in the bottommost part of the window. Now suppose you want to drag a file from your desktop to your home directory... there is no easy way to do that because that file won't end up in your home directory but in one of the folders located in your home directory. And that's because you are hovering a directory no matter where you drop the file. The only way to do this is to move the mouse down (without dropping the file) to the bottom border of the nautilus window and wait for the auto scrolling operation to get to the file area. Then you can drop the file. I don't know if I am clear enough now. The other operation that is not possible in the list view, like Reinout said, is rubberband select of items in the list view no matter if they are folders or files. Cheers, -William __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam �gratis! Reg�strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 19:35 -0500, William Lovaton wrote: Hi, I was reading this thread without much interest but I really have to say something: List View in Nautilus have been improving a lot and I like the new developments so far, but it is very annoying when you select a list item and it selects the whole row, if a directory is huge and the files doesn't fit on the window, you are screwed. You can't deselect an item Ctrl-clicking any selected item will deselect it, and Ctrl-Shift-A (the standard GNOME 'deselect all' shortcut) will deselect everything. and if those items happens to be folders you can't drag and drop a file in the current directory, it will be copied or moved to an unexpected place (where ever you were pointing when you dropped the file). Hmm, can't visualise what you mean here, can you try explaining it differently? Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Java Desktop System Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
Op Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:35:22 -0500, schreef William Lovaton: When you select an item in the list view it should highlight just the name, not even the column, I am talking about the text that conforms the file name. Every other place outside that boundary is anything but the file. If it is possible what you suggest, then that would make it easier to rubberband-select items in the list view, like you can in the icon view. Dragging the mouse over columns other than icon/filename would not affect the item under the mouse cursor directly, but rather affect the selection. Interesting idea. regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
El vie, 23-12-2005 a las 12:21 -0600, Travis Watkins escribió: On 12/23/05, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, that would be really neat ! I see it now : Icon View == Spatial Mode List View == Browser Mode And Nautilus remembers the settings for every visited folder. What happens if we like browser mode and icon view? Hi, I was reading this thread without much interest but I really have to say something: List View in Nautilus have been improving a lot and I like the new developments so far, but it is very annoying when you select a list item and it selects the whole row, if a directory is huge and the files doesn't fit on the window, you are screwed. You can't deselect an item and if those items happens to be folders you can't drag and drop a file in the current directory, it will be copied or moved to an unexpected place (where ever you were pointing when you dropped the file). And may be the same apply to the file chooser. When I am using Windows I prefer to use the List View equivalent but in Gnome I prefer the Icon View. The List View just doesn't feel like home. I know this is not exactly a Nautilus problem, it's more a GTK+ problem. When you select an item in the list view it should highlight just the name, not even the column, I am talking about the text that conforms the file name. Every other place outside that boundary is anything but the file. I don't know if I made my self clear... cheers!. -William __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam �gratis! Reg�strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Adaptive mode (Was: Re: Browser Mode by Default)
On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 03:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: And though the Finder in OS X is generally a steaming pile, in its spatial mode there is one great detail: 4. Individual folders remember whether you want them as browsers or not. If you have a deep hierarchy of subfolders inside ~/Photos, for example, or the shared file server Jeff mentioned, you can set that folder to as Columns and it'll still be a browser next time you open it. Hey, that would be really neat ! I see it now : Icon View == Spatial Mode List View == Browser Mode And Nautilus remembers the settings for every visited folder. Bonus point for a clever algorithm deciding how to display unvisited directories. Xav ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
