On 13/02/2020 14:27, Neil McGovern wrote:
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:21 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people
don't need a
gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a
lot of
arguments for this I'm increasingly
On 15/02/2020 16:08, Matthew Hodgson via desktop-devel-list wrote:
Meanwhile, we've gone and published the IRC room list as the public
room directory on https://gnome.riot.im.
Other than GNOME branding and a sensible home somewhere in
https://*.gnome.org, the dedicated server & bridge should
On 15/02/2020 01:28, Zander Brown wrote:
This has now been fixed as of 00:50 GMT or so.
Around the same time people seem to have suddenly left rooms and/or had
permissions stripped
Yes, that was the bridge restarting to flush out the problems in #gnome.
things should now be back in sync.
> This has now been fixed as of 00:50 GMT or so.
Around the same time people seem to have suddenly left rooms and/or had
permissions stripped
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On 14/02/2020 21:08, Matthew Hodgson via desktop-devel-list wrote:
and a bridging problem that's specific to the #gnome room.
This is because (for historical reasons) there are two instances of
#gnome on Matrix - one is a 'portal' into the IRC channel
(#_gimpnet_#gnome:gnome.org) and the
On 14/02/2020 18:46, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
We're currently working with Matthew to resolve several additional
quality issues with the bridge, including an issue where Matrix users
are disconnected from IRC rooms but don't notice because they continue
to receive updates in Matrix,
This
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:35 pm, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
Here is my suggestion: fellow Matrix proponents, let's turn off the
IRC bridge ASAP. All we've accomplished by running the IRC bridge is
convincing GNOME devs that Matrix is awful. I'm pretty sure that all
of this negative feedback is
On 14/02/2020 17:00, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:52 pm, Matthew Hodgson via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
1. The original issue that Michael Catanzaro reported (Matrix->IRC PM
going missing) was a legitimate bug in the bridge. The bridge is
meant to display an error if
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:52 pm, Matthew Hodgson via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
1. The original issue that Michael Catanzaro reported (Matrix->IRC PM
going missing) was a legitimate bug in the bridge. The bridge is
meant to display an error if you try to talk to an absent IRC user;
this was
Hi Carlos, all,
Sorry if it came across as overdramatic; it's just a bit frustrating
that the service isn't working as intended, and we've been stuck for
almost a year on resolving it (and that it's been impacting both Matrix
& GNOME as a result). The fault of the delay lies originally on
Matthew,
On April 19th 2020 we completed the server set up configured as agreed.
After that, we though everything was done and ready, and as you probably
remember we did actually informed the community about the improved services
[0]. That the previous answer to this thread make it sound like it
Hi folks,
Sorry for the delay in response here - the last 24 hours have not been fun.
Trying to address the main bits of feedback here:
1. The original issue that Michael Catanzaro reported (Matrix->IRC PM
going missing) was a legitimate bug in the bridge. The bridge is meant
to display an
Hi folks,
We been in contact with Matthew from Matrix for some time already. I lately
didn't have much time to invest on this, so we had have some delays on
answering. However, it's our expectation that with the set up that we have
right now the IRC bridge should perform as its best, as we are
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:15 pm, Britt Yazel wrote:
Attached is an image of the compact mode + dark theme. Just for the
record.
The thing is, it really comes down to personal preference. I suspect we
have a lot of people who like web clients, and a lot of people who just
don't. With open
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:14 am, Benjamin Berg
wrote:
One could do this comparison properly. But it would need setting up a
private Matrix server for GNOME (possibly without Federation) and then
checking how well it holds up when compared to Rocket.Chat.
gnome.modular.im is already our
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:27:21 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:21 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > > My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people
> > > don't need a
> > > gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a
> > > lot of
> >
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:21 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people
> > don't need a
> > gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a
> > lot of
> > arguments for this I'm increasingly convinced it's an anti-feature
>
The only reason I use matrix is that allows me to not loose any comment
while I'm not connected. If we can recover the IRC log not, there's no need
for it.
If we can log off to avoid people talk to ghost users that's another
improvement.
Hands up everybody that claim IRC is just perfect but have
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 16:35 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel wrote:
> > I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure
> > which of those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix
> > itself, or which is due to the
Hi,
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 15:32 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote:
> Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
> hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web
> clients, either in browser or with Electron, but I don't recall ever
> hearing a "why" in there.
Hi,
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 14:09 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote:
> this is not going to be an academically backed response, just my
> personal take.
>
> I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im.
Too bad you missed out on actually mentioning what your experience was.
So it's very hard to
On 2/12/20 4:15 PM, Britt Yazel wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly our conversation last month, you said you didn't
> want a web browser open as it provided tabs to distractions. At which
> point I mentioned the electron Flatpak (which contains no such tabs),
> but you weren't having it.
I share
On Wed, 12 Feb, 2020 at 12:30, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
(b) Replace our IRC with an actual Matrix server, so we get native
Matrix. Matrix is very nice as long as you're not using the abysmal
IRC bridge, which is unfit for purpose.
+1
The usability of IRC is terrible for normal people and
Huh? RocketChat Experimental + the dark theme it comes with is pretty
fabulous IMO. I genuinely like the React Native app they have for IOs and
Android.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:20 PM Zander Brown wrote:
> > I do not use it mobile that much, but enough to notice Riot is not
> > mature yet. I
I appreciate your candor in sharing your reasons. I'd also like to make it
clear that I wasn't digging for any uncomfortable sharing of information.
That said, what makes an electron application (since we're avoiding web
browsers here, which I understand) significantly more distracting than an
IRC
> I do not use it mobile that much, but enough to notice Riot is not
> mature yet. I have not tested RocketChat mobile app. YMMV.
I suggest you continue in your innocence :-)
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 5:29 AM Christian Hergert wrote:
>
> On 2/12/20 3:32 PM, Britt Yazel wrote:
> > Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
> > hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web
> > clients, either in browser or with Electron, but
On 2/12/20 3:32 PM, Britt Yazel wrote:
> Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
> hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web
> clients, either in browser or with Electron, but I don't recall ever
> hearing a "why" in there.
I'll repeat what I
Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web clients,
either in browser or with Electron, but I don't recall ever hearing a "why"
in there.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
> On
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 14:09 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote:
> [... ] I could see an argument being that Matrix has Fractal and
> therefor is a nice GTK client, but, unfortunately as it is to say, my
> experience with Fractal was a bit iffy at best. I cannot even count
> the number of messages just
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel wrote:
I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure
which of those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix
itself, or which is due to the clients, but I really shouldn't 'have'
to know the chat system at that level.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 10:53 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> So it seems we have two GNOME clients for Matrix
Since I know some of the people who keep using IRC are actually using
something like irssi (maybe with tmux/screen) or weechat and care more
about a terminal option than a GNOME one,
Here's my two cents, granted this is not going to be an academically backed
response, just my personal take.
I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure which of
those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix itself, or which
is due to the clients, but I really
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 10:43 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> The problem there is simply that you can never log off once you join the IRC
> bridge
Ha! So that must be what Georges was talking about! I didn’t get that
it was about *IRC* servers.
> (or, if such a way exists, it's so hard to
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:23 pm, Georges Basile Stavracas Neto via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
The Riot application is hard to use. It took me days to figure out
how to connect
to a GNOME room. It doesn't allow me to log out of the servers.
These are all problems with the IRC bridge, not with
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:07 pm, Zander Brown wrote:
My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people don't
need a
gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a
lot of
arguments for this I'm increasingly convinced it's an anti-feature
especially
if we want
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:45 pm, Jan Alexander Steffens via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
We currently have loads of garbage IRC users in the channels after
the bridge hosted at matrix.org was replaced with one hosted at the
gnome.org homeserver. The old bridge left its Matrix users in the
rooms
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:16 pm, Alexandre Franke
wrote:
Not immediately relevant to the issue but would help me as I’m a bit
confused: weren’t *you* on Matrix rather than IRC?
No, I was using IRC.
I’m pretty sure one gets at least a notification in the GIMPNet IRC
Bridge status
On 12/02/2020 19.30, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Personally, I think native Matrix would be a *lot* nicer than IRC, if we
> have sysadmin time to get it set up, but I'm not going to be picky here.
> I'd just like us to be able to trust that we're not missing important
> messages.
I have
I've seen this happen more than once
In one room we even had a feedback loop for a while before we mass-kicked the
ghost users (python matrix module all the things!)
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 21:07 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jan Alexander Steffens
> wrote:
> >
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jan Alexander Steffens
wrote:
> We currently have loads of garbage IRC users in the channels after the bridge
> hosted at matrix.org was replaced with one hosted at the gnome.org
> homeserver. The old bridge left its Matrix users in the rooms and the new
>
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020, 20:16 Alexandre Franke wrote:
> Not immediately relevant to the issue but would help me as I’m a bit
> confused: weren’t *you* on Matrix rather than IRC?
>
We currently have loads of garbage IRC users in the channels after the
bridge hosted at matrix.org was replaced with
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:23 PM Georges Basile Stavracas Neto via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
> It doesn't allow me to log out of the servers.
>
I’m not sure what you mean by that. What would that action achieve as a
result?
> Matrix apparently
> doesn't allow turning off federation, and to me
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:20 PM Link Dupont wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:16 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > The Matrix folks offered to host our instance on
> > [Modular](https://modular.im/) just like they already do for KDE and
> > now Mozilla too[1], so sysadmin time is not a problem,
Personally, my experiences with Matrix have been catastrophic so far. So
much
so that I'm convinced that Rocket.Chat, with all it's flaws and
misbehaviors, is
a better option on the long run.
The Riot application is hard to use. It took me days to figure out how to
connect
to a GNOME room. It
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:07 PM Zander Brown wrote:
> I've used the matrix bridge for years now (I'm generally only on irc "for
> real"
> to fix things after the bridge does crazy things like de-op me or change my
> nick without warning...)
>
> Matrix isn't perfect. matrix.org, the main
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:16 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> The Matrix folks offered to host our instance on
> [Modular](https://modular.im/) just like they already do for KDE and
> now Mozilla too[1], so sysadmin time is not a problem, is it?
>
> [1] they just switched, details at
>
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:31 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Hi,
Hi,
> I just got an email from a new-ish contributor: "I sent you some PMs
> about a week ago but I think you weren't online when I sent them so I'm
> assuming you didn't receive anything." Problem is the Matrix IRC bridge
>
I've used the matrix bridge for years now (I'm generally only on irc "for real"
to fix things after the bridge does crazy things like de-op me or change my
nick without warning...)
Matrix isn't perfect. matrix.org, the main "homeserver", regularly has high
latency further exacerbated by the
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