[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1595414] Re: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox
[Expired for fonts-arphic-uming (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.] ** Changed in: fonts-arphic-uming (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to fonts-arphic-ukai in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1595414 Title: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox Status in fonts-arphic-ukai package in Ubuntu: Expired Status in fonts-arphic-uming package in Ubuntu: Expired Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu: Expired Bug description: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/fonts- arphic-ukai/wily/revision/6, UMing and UKai are set as generics for fonts. However, this set of generics is completely intolerable -- setting UKai as a generic is like setting Zapfino and/or Comic Sans as a system-wise generic, while UMing as a normal (just a bit thin) serif sounds a bit better. This yields terrible results on non-Chinese systems with non-Chinese lang-attributed websites, like Twitter, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS after installing Chinese language support which includes the two arphic fonts mentioned in this report. This problem is similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911, a long-standing system-global fontconfig non-latin fallback problem. See also bug #1560548 where these generic settings are considered as 'redundant' and proposed for deletion. I have mentioned a third-person report about such selection in #1560548 previously, but I have just reproduced this bug by myself by installing zh-cn support by mistake. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-arphic-ukai/+bug/1595414/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1595414] Re: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox
[Expired for language-selector (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.] ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to fonts-arphic-ukai in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1595414 Title: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox Status in fonts-arphic-ukai package in Ubuntu: Expired Status in fonts-arphic-uming package in Ubuntu: Expired Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu: Expired Bug description: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/fonts- arphic-ukai/wily/revision/6, UMing and UKai are set as generics for fonts. However, this set of generics is completely intolerable -- setting UKai as a generic is like setting Zapfino and/or Comic Sans as a system-wise generic, while UMing as a normal (just a bit thin) serif sounds a bit better. This yields terrible results on non-Chinese systems with non-Chinese lang-attributed websites, like Twitter, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS after installing Chinese language support which includes the two arphic fonts mentioned in this report. This problem is similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911, a long-standing system-global fontconfig non-latin fallback problem. See also bug #1560548 where these generic settings are considered as 'redundant' and proposed for deletion. I have mentioned a third-person report about such selection in #1560548 previously, but I have just reproduced this bug by myself by installing zh-cn support by mistake. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-arphic-ukai/+bug/1595414/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1595414] Re: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox
[Expired for fonts-arphic-ukai (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.] ** Changed in: fonts-arphic-ukai (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to fonts-arphic-ukai in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1595414 Title: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox Status in fonts-arphic-ukai package in Ubuntu: Expired Status in fonts-arphic-uming package in Ubuntu: Expired Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu: Expired Bug description: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/fonts- arphic-ukai/wily/revision/6, UMing and UKai are set as generics for fonts. However, this set of generics is completely intolerable -- setting UKai as a generic is like setting Zapfino and/or Comic Sans as a system-wise generic, while UMing as a normal (just a bit thin) serif sounds a bit better. This yields terrible results on non-Chinese systems with non-Chinese lang-attributed websites, like Twitter, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS after installing Chinese language support which includes the two arphic fonts mentioned in this report. This problem is similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911, a long-standing system-global fontconfig non-latin fallback problem. See also bug #1560548 where these generic settings are considered as 'redundant' and proposed for deletion. I have mentioned a third-person report about such selection in #1560548 previously, but I have just reproduced this bug by myself by installing zh-cn support by mistake. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-arphic-ukai/+bug/1595414/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1595414] Re: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox
More input from Chinese users is needed to make progress on this one. Feedback on my idea in comment #6 would be appreciated, as would other ideas on the desired direction. Removing the trusty tasks for now. Let's decide what to do in the current development version first, and consider possible backporting later. ** No longer affects: fonts-arphic-ukai (Ubuntu Trusty) ** No longer affects: fonts-arphic-uming (Ubuntu Trusty) ** No longer affects: language-selector (Ubuntu Trusty) ** Changed in: fonts-arphic-ukai (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: fonts-arphic-ukai (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: fonts-arphic-uming (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: fonts-arphic-uming (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to fonts-arphic-ukai in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1595414 Title: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox Status in fonts-arphic-ukai package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Status in fonts-arphic-uming package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/fonts- arphic-ukai/wily/revision/6, UMing and UKai are set as generics for fonts. However, this set of generics is completely intolerable -- setting UKai as a generic is like setting Zapfino and/or Comic Sans as a system-wise generic, while UMing as a normal (just a bit thin) serif sounds a bit better. This yields terrible results on non-Chinese systems with non-Chinese lang-attributed websites, like Twitter, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS after installing Chinese language support which includes the two arphic fonts mentioned in this report. This problem is similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911, a long-standing system-global fontconfig non-latin fallback problem. See also bug #1560548 where these generic settings are considered as 'redundant' and proposed for deletion. I have mentioned a third-person report about such selection in #1560548 previously, but I have just reproduced this bug by myself by installing zh-cn support by mistake. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-arphic-ukai/+bug/1595414/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1595414] Re: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox
A simple test on 14.04 is to rename the symlink /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-fonts-arphic-ukai.conf to /etc/fonts/conf.d/66-fonts-arphic-ukai.conf ---^ $ LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 fc-match -a | grep -iE '(ar pl|droid)' | head -7 DroidSansFallbackFull.ttf: "Droid Sans Fallback" "Regular" uming.ttc: "AR PL UMing CN" "Light" uming.ttc: "AR PL UMing HK" "Light" uming.ttc: "AR PL UMing TW" "Light" ukai.ttc: "AR PL UKai CN" "Book" ukai.ttc: "AR PL UKai HK" "Book" ukai.ttc: "AR PL UKai TW" "Book" Would that improve things? It would give UKai lower precedence than the Chinese fonts preferred via 65-nonlatin.conf, but OTOH the latter are not included in the Chinese language support in Ubuntu 14.04+. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to fonts-arphic-ukai in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1595414 Title: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox Status in fonts-arphic-ukai package in Ubuntu: New Status in fonts-arphic-uming package in Ubuntu: New Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu: New Status in fonts-arphic-ukai source package in Trusty: New Status in fonts-arphic-uming source package in Trusty: New Status in language-selector source package in Trusty: New Bug description: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/fonts- arphic-ukai/wily/revision/6, UMing and UKai are set as generics for fonts. However, this set of generics is completely intolerable -- setting UKai as a generic is like setting Zapfino and/or Comic Sans as a system-wise generic, while UMing as a normal (just a bit thin) serif sounds a bit better. This yields terrible results on non-Chinese systems with non-Chinese lang-attributed websites, like Twitter, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS after installing Chinese language support which includes the two arphic fonts mentioned in this report. This problem is similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911, a long-standing system-global fontconfig non-latin fallback problem. See also bug #1560548 where these generic settings are considered as 'redundant' and proposed for deletion. I have mentioned a third-person report about such selection in #1560548 previously, but I have just reproduced this bug by myself by installing zh-cn support by mistake. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-arphic-ukai/+bug/1595414/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1595414] Re: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox
Please note that if you use a Chinese locale, it's 69-language-selector- zh-??.conf which is effective, not 65-fonts-arphic-*.conf. As regards the latter, one thought is to change it so UMing is preferred over UKai. Another thought is to drop the sans-serif items in 65-fonts- arphic-*.conf. Probably we'd need to test to see how Firefox behaves with those changes. Also, this is reasonably not a trusty specific issue. It would be good if we could study this in the current development release (yakkety) first, and then backport if we figure out something better. @Aron: Any thoughts? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to fonts-arphic-ukai in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1595414 Title: Awful generic selection for zh in Firefox Status in fonts-arphic-ukai package in Ubuntu: New Status in fonts-arphic-uming package in Ubuntu: New Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu: New Status in fonts-arphic-ukai source package in Trusty: New Status in fonts-arphic-uming source package in Trusty: New Status in language-selector source package in Trusty: New Bug description: In https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/fonts- arphic-ukai/wily/revision/6, UMing and UKai are set as generics for fonts. However, this set of generics is completely intolerable -- setting UKai as a generic is like setting Zapfino and/or Comic Sans as a system-wise generic, while UMing as a normal (just a bit thin) serif sounds a bit better. This yields terrible results on non-Chinese systems with non-Chinese lang-attributed websites, like Twitter, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS after installing Chinese language support which includes the two arphic fonts mentioned in this report. This problem is similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911, a long-standing system-global fontconfig non-latin fallback problem. See also bug #1560548 where these generic settings are considered as 'redundant' and proposed for deletion. I have mentioned a third-person report about such selection in #1560548 previously, but I have just reproduced this bug by myself by installing zh-cn support by mistake. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-arphic-ukai/+bug/1595414/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
