Re: Webconsole deprecation

I'd like to propose the following approach for the WebConsole: - AMQ adopts the position that the web console is for internal use only and that exposing it to third parties is not recommended due to possible vulnerabilities (I've personally always held this view and made this

Re: Webconsole deprecation

> Furthermore, there are certain things that require PMC members to > handle so there would still need to be people on the PMC willing to > support the web console as well (which hasn't really been the case > other than a few minor fixes I have committed the past couple years). That’s something

Re: Webconsole deprecation

Paul, Sure, if there were actually people around who wanted to maintain the web console and did the work then that would be fine but that just hasn't been the reality. Furthermore, there are certain things that require PMC members to handle so there would still need to be people on the PMC

Re: Webconsole deprecation

clebertsuconic wrote > I did not mean to be harsh.. I just tried to make a straight point. > either fix it or deprecate it.. discussions won't solve it! It will solve it... because people will step up, or they won't, which means, yes, the discussions will ultimately find a path to resolution.

Re: Webconsole deprecation

I did not mean to be harsh.. I just tried to make a straight point. either fix it or deprecate it.. discussions won't solve it! On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:52 PM, jgenender wrote: > clebertsuconic wrote >> This is not about opinions.. it's a fact.. people either fix it.. .or

Re: Webconsole deprecation

Art, Before you say that what I'm talking about is pure criticism and not actionable you should probably actually read private@ On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Arthur Naseef wrote: > Please provide details Chris. Otherwise, I reject the assertion that it is > "unmaintained".

Re: Webconsole deprecation

clebertsuconic wrote > This is not about opinions.. it's a fact.. people either fix it.. .or > deprecate it! Simple! Clebert, harshness on these lists needs to be tempered. No need for a bike shed here. clebertsuconic wrote > If no one is fixing it.. it will be deprecated.. I don't think this

Re: Webconsole deprecation

Please provide details Chris. Otherwise, I reject the assertion that it is "unmaintained". That's not actionable, and therefore is pure criticism that won't lead to constructive results. Art On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Shannon < christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Re: Webconsole deprecation

So, are you saying therefore that if someone were to fix/patch some of the outstanding issues with the web console then you'd be happy with not deprecating it? After all, that would then satisfy the criteria that it's being maintained, or is there something else? Thanks, Paul On Thu, Apr 26,

Re: Webconsole deprecation

Art, I think my main concern was stated in my first email and Justin re-iterated everything and is spot on. The webconsole is just simply not maintained anymore which is why I proposed deprecating it. Chris On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Clebert Suconic wrote: >

Re: Webconsole deprecation

This is not about opinions.. it's a fact.. people either fix it.. .or deprecate it! Simple! If no one is fixing it.. it will be deprecated.. I don't think this even requires a voting as this is based in facts.. not opinions. On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Arthur Naseef

Re: Webconsole deprecation

Hey Chris - I looked for you in the IRC channel but didn't see you (sorry if I missed you). I'd like to understand the concerns and talk to you about addressing them. Can you either enumerate the big concerns here, or give me a shout? IRC or email work. Art On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:28 AM,

Re: Webconsole deprecation

Paul, Yes it is mostly a people problem but that doesn't make it any less of a problem. It's still a big problem. Apache is a volunteer organization. You can't make anyone support something they don't want to. The reality is that no one wants to maintain it, there's been several years of

Re: Webconsole deprecation

If the definition of 'the problem' is that no committers are willing to maintain the web console then that's an internal leadership problem of the group. Please don't try to 'fix' that by making it a problem for end users by deprecating/removing it. Why not address the problem of lack of interest

Re: Webconsole deprecation

> What changed since last opening this question? My understanding (based on Chris' email) is that nothing has changed since the last discussion, and that is precisely the problem. > What problems are being solved by removing it? I believe Chris is proposing that it be deprecated and disabled by

Re: Webconsole deprecation

The ActiveMQ WebConsole fills a very important role in the solution. So here are the questions coming to mind when reading the request for deprecation: 1. What changed since last opening this question? 2. What problems are being solved by removing it? 3. How will the important functions

Webconsole deprecation

I think it's time to have the yearly web console deprecation or removal conversation. I realize this conversation has been had multiple times in the past already. However, since those conversations have taken place there has still been no effort by anyone to maintain the webconsole for several