Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-12 Thread Alexey Romanenko
Thanks everybody for your feedback! I also agree, that dev@ is mostly like a forum for every topics potentially related to Beam improvement (in different ways, not only the code) and I’d ask more developers to take a look on user@ from time to time as well (even if it’s not very active but we

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Valentyn Tymofieiev
> I would say that it is on us to redirect traffic to the correct place if we want to effect a change. +1 to this. I think the clean way to accomplish this is to say: "Let's continue this conversation on user@", add user@ and move dev@ to bcc (to avoid the fork), then (hopefully), answer the

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I am in the same boat: I'm subscribed to both but the dev@ ones are more visible to me. That being said, I do think it's valuable to have segregated discussion (otherwise why have two lists), and "lurkers" on users@ can learn from questions answered there. I would say that it is on us to redirect

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Pablo Estrada
My impression is that Boyuan is right: People may email dev@ because they may feel they're more likely to get a response. I'll confess that I am subscribed to both, but pay more attention to dev : / On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:16 PM Kenneth Knowles wrote: > Note on the data: dev@ is much higher

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Kenneth Knowles
Note on the data: dev@ is much higher volume than user@ right now (maybe 2x?). [1] [2] I think https://beam.apache.org/community/contact-us/ has an OK description. I guess we could make it more clear about "Developer and contributor discussions" / "Developer mailing list" to mean that it is about

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Alexey Romanenko
> On 10 Mar 2021, at 22:13, Onur Ozer wrote: > > One of the sample mails belongs to me, sorry for that. I thought the dev list > was a better place. Will ask similar to the other list as well. Onur, Well, I just picked up a random example of one of the latest emails, that, I believe, should

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Boyuan Zhang
I subscribed to both user@ and dev@. It seems to me that we have more active folks who have knowledge to offer help on the dev@ than the user@. It's always good to have dev@ and user@ for different usages as long as dev@ and user@ are almost equivalent helpful for dev/users to look for help. On

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Onur Ozer
One of the sample mails belongs to me, sorry for that. I thought the dev list was a better place. Will ask similar to the other list as well. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:13 PM Steve Niemitz wrote: > As a frequent emailer of dev@, I'll admit that it's often very difficult > to figure out if I

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Steve Niemitz
As a frequent emailer of dev@, I'll admit that it's often very difficult to figure out if I should be emailing user@ or dev@, and typically just chose dev@ because it seems more likely to get an answer there. Having clearer guidelines around what is a "dev" topic would be very useful to better

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Ahmet Altay
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:16 AM Alexey Romanenko wrote: > > > What do you think should be the right behaviour for managing such emails? >> Forward this email to user@ (and remove dev@ address from copy) and ask >> politely to continue a discussion there? I tried it several times but >>

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Alexey Romanenko
> What do you think should be the right behaviour for managing such emails? > Forward this email to user@ (and remove dev@ address from copy) and ask > politely to continue a discussion there? I tried it several times but > sometimes it happened that discussion was "forked” and continued in

Re: User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Ahmet Altay
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:36 AM Alexey Romanenko wrote: > Hello all, > > A quick question about our mailing lists policy. > > Quite often I see that people tend to send the user-related questions to > dev@. For example: [1], [2] and many similar ones. > > I believe it’s a bad practice since

User-related questions in dev@ list

2021-03-10 Thread Alexey Romanenko
Hello all, A quick question about our mailing lists policy. Quite often I see that people tend to send the user-related questions to dev@. For example: [1], [2] and many similar ones. I believe it’s a bad practice since it's mixing up with other dev-related threads and makes it difficult to